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Old 01-10-2004, 04:48 AM   #1
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My Choice of Rims & Tires

I pretty much got my heart set on these rims.

280 Motor Sport R, 5 lug, 17"x9", Chrome. But for tires I'm lost. Thinking 245/45/17 Nittos

Guide me. :thumb2:
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Old 01-10-2004, 12:05 PM   #2
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nittos would be good... realize if you get a Z rated tire that youre not going to get more then like 25k miles outta them.
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I have Kumho Ecsta Supra 712s on mine and have nothing but love for them. They come with a good 1/2" of tread and after 11k miles I still probably have 80-90% of it left. The tire guy said I'd be lucky if I got 16k out of them, because they're soft-compound "race" tires... I have a 3k stall tq. converter too, so you know I'm doing burnouts at every stop.
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a 9" wide wheel is meant to have 275/40/17's. just as an fyi, 7" = 205-215, 8" = 245, 9" = 275, 10" = ~315. if you go with 245's you'll get curb rash easily, plus you will not get that great handling. i love my bfg g force t/a kdw tires, which are available in 275/40/17.
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I will tell you Michelins AS are really nice and come with a decent warranty unlike most Z rated tires. Nitto have great traction but dont last when driven aggressive. Kumho's dont have any mileage warranty but are aggressive tires. Goodyear F1 are really really bad tires if you get a year out of them you are lucky and when pressed aggressively they loose traction. Everyone I know with a car that had F1's took them off.
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Old 01-10-2004, 03:38 PM   #6
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if youre not lookin for as much of an aggressive tire ive got dayton daytona's on my car. Theyre H rated and have lasted quite a while now... ive been pretty impressed with them. Even on the track i was able to grip really nicely. theyre 245/45/17s

i used to have some bridgstone potenza re730s they were badass tires just didnt last me more then 20k miles for 700 bucks i figured id get a tire that lasted a lil bit longer then next time
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H rate will last much longer than Z rated but you will have some diminished cornering ability. Ther are always trade offs
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Old 01-10-2004, 03:46 PM   #8
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yeah thats one thing i defanitely noticed the first time i drove on them. they didnt take turns nearly as well
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dangerdude, why do you think that speed rating is so strongly correlated to wear? H/Z/most other letter just indicate speeds and temps that the tires are meant to go to. true, z's may not last you quite as long as an h or s, but it's basically just for a higher top speed and better cornering.
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a 9" wide wheel is meant to have 275/40/17's.
But will they scrape on the inside fender will I make U-Turns?
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a 9" wide wheel is meant to have 275/40/17's.
But will they scrape on the inside fender will I make U-Turns?
Yes. But so will any tire on a 9" rim.
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All Z rated tires are made of softer compounds . When you drive aggressively you leave more rubber behind as you drive especially when they heat up, not to mention the wider the tire the more contact the tire makes to the road surface generating more heat making the tire material even softer.
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so what kinda of differences are we talking about... a similar h and z rated tire would last 10, 20, more % difference in life assuming same class/use and regular wear and mileage rating from maker?
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If you have a good quality H and Z rated tire and drive them identically as Michelin does here in Greenville, you will see 20-30 % more tire loss from a Z rated tire. But remember everyone drives differently and a aggressive driver with H rated tires wont last as long as a cautious drive that rarely goes over the speed limit with a car with Z rated tires are not mileage rated by the manufacture so no mileage warranty.
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ok, thanks for the info. that was the down side about the tire shop i worked at... we had to special order high performance tires of any sort, plus our main demographic are old women who could care less about tires so long as they were 'safe'. so no z rated tires are mileage rated? i'm going to look at my bfg paperwork and see just to make sure.
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a 9" wide wheel is meant to have 275/40/17's.
But will they scrape on the inside fender will I make U-Turns?
Yes. But so will any tire on a 9" rim.
Girl at school has 95 Cobra Rs 17x9, never scrapped when she turns.
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Oh. We're talking 17x9. I've got 18x9"s w/ 275/35/ZR18s and I rub all the time. Not sure about 17"s... They probably don't rub.. Or else Ford would make the wheel wells bigger for the GTs.
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Yea, I could of sworn the factory tire on the 17" GT was a 245 serries.
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Factory GT 17" wheel is 8 inches wide, so the earlier post about 245 on a 8" wheel holds.
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so what kinda of differences are we talking about... a similar h and z rated tire would last 10, 20, more % difference in life assuming same class/use and regular wear and mileage rating from maker?
ill tell you this... ive driven about 30k miles in the time that ive had my H rated tires on my car and ive worn them about 1/2 way down. I rotate them regulary and drive aggressively... i did the same thing with my Z rated tires and i wore those out within 20-22k...

the z rated were bridgestone and the H rated are dayton's.. dunno how much different they make their tires but ill defanitely conder getting daytons Z rated line in my next tire (i want the cornering ability back... its a huge difference)
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Oh. We're talking 17x9. I've got 18x9"s w/ 275/35/ZR18s and I rub all the time. Not sure about 17"s... They probably don't rub.. Or else Ford would make the wheel wells bigger for the GTs.
i'm not trying to preach to y'all like i know everything, but the diameter of the tire doesn't matter, it's the width. 15", 17", and 18" wheels all have the same overall height, just different proportions of wheel diameter to tire sidewall. they are all around 26.5". if you want to know the math ask otherwise it'll take too long.

that being, 18x9's and 17x9's will rub or not rub the exact same assuming they have the same width tire on them. some have problems withrubbing and some don't. there is no right or wrong answer to whether or not they rub. they probably took care of it for the '03 cobras or else they'd get lots of complaints. does anyone have info on this?
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i'm not tryingt o debunk your experience zimstang but bridgestone/firestones are crap, simply put. it doesn't suprise me that they wore quickly. thanks for the imput though.
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That is if you keep the outside circumference the same. the difference is in the numbers 35, 40,45,50 they determine tire height. That can cause rubbing or gouging of tires when combined with a suspension drop greater than 1.5 or have 18X9 and really wide tire like 275's on the front can cause rubbing
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Actually Firestone Firehawks are a aggressive tires with remarkable gripping but dont last for nothin. And I believe they are not made anymore. I dont think you know this Zim but Dayton is a Bridgestone/ Firestone product Like the Daytona ZR 245 45 17 here http://www.bridgestonetire.com/dpp/
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didnt know that... all i know is my bridgestones looked badass and wore out really quickly. The daytons have been a lot better though (minus that decreased turning ability) Im not preachin for bridgestone, i personally wont buy those tires ever again just because of how fast they wore... and they burned a hole in my pocket hardcore.

how are perelli Z rated tires for wear and grip and everything... i know they cost an arm and a leg but is it worth it?
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yeah, dangerdude, i know, but most people want to keep their speedo accurate and they should keep the same overall height. if they are changing that, they probably (let's hope!) know what they're doing.

where did firestone firehawks come from, did i miss something?

i have some bridgestone potenzas that are supposed to be pretty good as far as bridgestone's go, not too impressed.
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OK. Am I right.

The tires I want are 275/?? (no one ever said that number.)

I am planning a 1.5 drop. But I can fix the lip. Someone give me a final number.
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yeah i said in the beginning of the thread, it's 275/40/17. the middle number (aspect ratio) isn't something you change, it's the percentage of the first. the resulting number is the sidewall measurement.

did you read the other thread in this forum about not hitting the fender of the car, but the black wheel well lining?
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If your looking for good tires that don't cost an arm and a leg, look at Yokohama AVS ES100's.

Im running these on my cobra wheels(275/40/17) and they are GREAT. Great wet/dry traction, I only had them on for one summer but they seem to be wearing very well and not burning up.

And if you wanna be a ricer, the tires look mean as hell to 8)
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I mentioned Firestone Firehawks because you said Firestone was crap.

But if you want to have a nice to to determine tire width, size and calculate speedo change here is a nice thing to save to favorites

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

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OK. A 275/40/17 series tire.

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did you read the other thread in this forum about not hitting the fender of the car, but the black wheel well lining?
Cross that bridge when I get there.
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Pirelli tires are good tires with excellent traction control just pricier than some and they have average tire wear Dunlop is hit and miss.
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I mentioned Firestone Firehawks because you said Firestone was crap.

But if you want to have a nice to to determine tire width, size and calculate speedo change here is a nice thing to save to favorites

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

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oh man did that site make my day! i hate having to do the calcs... just plug it in. doh.
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It is nice isn't it

I like the easy life and I like to share with others
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damn, it even shows speedo differences. at least i got from doing it by hand that 2.54cm=1"
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