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Old 01-05-2005, 02:51 AM   #1
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time for supercharger need help

well tax time is around the corner and the wife and i agreed to supercharge my car. a few concerns and questions i have are:

1 which kit to go with the ati procharger, or vortech
i have stock engine with 50,000 miles on it and no upgrades
2 if i should go with the ati kit will my engine withstand 11psi
3 i know the vortech kit comes with fuel upgrades but i haven't seen one of them with a intercooler yet, so if i go with the vortech how can i intercool the system
4 if i go with the procharger kit what fuel management systems do you guys recommend. and what other upgrades do you think i will need
5 last but not least where, or is it possible to get this done with about 3200-3700 dollars
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i would help but im scared to lie. no 11 psi better fuel upgrades will probably be needed any way thats all i got.... i believe you will need to do engine upgrades for 11 psi.at least pistons. could be wrong. is this a gt or 6
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get the procharger 11 psi, it comes intercooled. then buy a svt focus 300 lph fuel pump, 42 lb injectors, 70mm maf. and be sure to get a good tune. your engine will be able to handle it, if you do the neccasery fuel upgrades.
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go procharger with intercooler and DONT get a chip and fuel pump upgrade just get the 11 psi and buy your own fuel pump/maf/injectors/and make SURE you get a dyno tune!
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go procharger with intercooler and DONT get a chip and fuel pump upgrade just get the 11 psi and buy your own fuel pump/maf/injectors/and make SURE you get a dyno tune!
To get a dyno tune, he's going to need some sort of chip or something.
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To get a dyno tune, he's going to need some sort of chip or something.
he means not to get all that stuff from procharger get it somewhere else
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well i ment no mail order chip and dont expect that pos they send you with teh kit to be worth a crap.
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he is going to need at least exhaust on that car
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If you want my advice and you want to get the most bang for your buck I would go with a turbo kit. But on the other side SC's are cheaper but make sure that you don't put to much PSI through because your stock engine will handle it for a while but it will wear down eventually and then............6er parts everywhere
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turbos' are badass on the six, but the problem with them is that you will fail inspection with an aftermarket turbo, well atleast in cali
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Why does it fail in Cali?
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Why does it fail in Cali?
no carb number
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Why does it fail in Cali?
California requires most, if not all, aftermarket performance items to be approved for use in California, that's the carb number he's talking about. BTW, carb stands for California Air Resources Board.

Most Texans don't have to worry much about that.

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I looked at both procharger and vortech. Yes you want an intercooler for sure (air to air). One major difference is with the vortech you tap into your oil pan and it shares oil with your engine (I liked that). Where as the procharger has it's own oil supply (good if you don't want to tap into your oil pan - but bad because you have to keep up with and change one more thing - procharger's oil - and it has less supply).
You can get a vortech with no intercooler and get with Justin at velocitymustangperformance.com. He fabricates intercoolers to go with vortechs. You can also pick up a used vortech reasonably cheap (kit for around $1500.) With intercooler and tubing from Justin I think you would still be within your price range.

You will need a chip and I don't know about 11psi without forged internals. Sounds borderline dangerous to me. I think 8-9psi would be safer. I did see an 00 v6 with procharger set at 8psi make 305 rwhp so you should see noticable gains! I would expect a vortech as stated above to be right in that range as well.
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well i'm most likely going to go with the procharger 7 psi kit it is my daily driver and that should give me around 300 hp not sure how much torque.

i'm going with the:
procharger 7psi intercooled kit
255lph fuel pump
30lb / hr fuel injectors
custom tuned computer chip ( diablo, or sct ) not sure witch one

i will get this and install it when i get my tax returns

let me know what you guys think
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Sounds pretty similar to what I'm planning. I'm still debating whether to go 7 or 11psi. Depends on how much everything is gonna cost. I'm planning to put in 4.10 gears and t-lok also (auto-Yeah, I know, but I'm learning to live with it. ). I'll probably go with 7psi because I don't see myself doing anything with the internals at this point in time.
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Thats the reason i went with the 7psi kit
plus in the future i can always upgrade to the 11 psi kit
as a daily driver the 7psi kit should make me happy ( for now )
you know how that goes
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Forgive me if I am wrong but all you have to change to go from 7-11 psi is the pulley and belt. If so, you should go ahead and get the 11 psi set up and have the car dyno tuned at the higher psi even if you drive it normally with the lower psi. Just my take on it and what I have heard.
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You need to go to bigger injectors to run 11psi. 42 lb/hr
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Um, so order them! What's the hold up?!

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on 99+ the stock injectors are ok
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on 99+ the stock injectors are ok
I thought that was only if you were going to run 5psi. I know pre 99's are good to 11psi with stock injectors.
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5psi- stock
7psi- 30lb/hr
11psi- 42lb/hr
At least that's what I've heard.
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Old 01-12-2005, 11:08 AM   #25
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to change from the 7 psi to 11 psi kit you have to change the injectors and reprogram the computer to send the right amount of fuel not much to do but the 350 horsepower you get from the 11 psi kit i think will be too hard on the stock internals and i don't have the time or money to rebuild my engine with forged internals otherwise i would love to go with the 11psi kit
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to change from the 7 psi to 11 psi kit you have to change the injectors and reprogram the computer to send the right amount of fuel not much to do but the 350 horsepower you get from the 11 psi kit i think will be too hard on the stock internals and i don't have the time or money to rebuild my engine with forged internals otherwise i would love to go with the 11psi kit
Ah..someone has been doing some thinking and researching...good way to start lol
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i recently got the procharger 11psi kit on my car for christmas. All together with install it was around $4000. I got the kit without the fuel pump and without the chip, its crap. i bought 42LB Injectors, 90MM MAF, and a 300LPH fuel pump. I got the chip from SCT. its the best one for fords. they know what they are doing. It bolted up nicely and only took around 6 hrs to do it. before i got it dynotuned i never had a problem with running lean or detonation. then i got it tuned. suprisingly i could add 1 psi out of her. i run 11.8 psi at 5400 rpm. i got over 330 RWHP. this is with a stock motor and true dual exhaust on a manual tranny. this summer i'm putting forged pistons and rods in her. then after that going to put new heads, intakes, and a rpm cam. after that hopefully i will be over 400 RWHP, all from a V6. go with PROCHARGER.
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i heard that alot of the procharger head units start leaking oil fast.
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i heard that too before i got mine but i bought the extended warranty just in case for 3 yrs. but i haven't had a problem with it at all since i've put it on. all i need now is a new rear end for all that torque and a posi.
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I have the ProCharger on my 02' GT vert

1st and foremost DO NOT run the 11psi pully unless you have had bottom end work on your engine. Even with a really conservative tune, you can (and most likely will) blow out your engine since the GT was not designed for that compression ratio.

2nd, DO NOT get the chip from ATI, nor should you get a mail order chip. The best solution for the tune is either a direct program of your computer (i.e. no chip at all), or a tuner/programmer that contains a couple tunes for the computer directly (IMHO, stay away from chips - they become a real PITA).

3rd, DO get 42lb injectors even with the 8psi setup, also get the Warlboro high flow fuel pump (255lph) - these will only benefit you.

As for the ATIs leaking, a few years back they had serrious problems with seals - as far as I can tell those problems have been addressed.

If this is for your daily drive, I would recommend that you ask your tuner (at the DYNO) to tune your car conservatively (at first). Get use to the SC, then have it tuned more aggresively (this is where a tuner/programmer come in handy).

I would also suggest getting a Fuel Pressure Gauge as well as a good Vac/Boost gauge - unless you buy a REAL (i.e. high quality, costing about $400.00) Air/Fuel gauge I would just avoid that one all-together (the cheap ones do not provide accurate readings and just mean nothing).

I recommend an annual A/F check after the SC - this is just an insurance measure.

Have fun, the ATI unit is fairly easy to install.

Oh, also - I recommend NGK TR6 plugs, stay away from Iridiums and Platinums for SC usage - in fact ATI will not warrenty their product if you use Platinums.
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Dang it - if you have a v6 then scratch the ATI system.

I think Vortech is currently the only company that has a full system for the 3.8 - I may be wrong on that
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I think your wrong on that.
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i have that system on my 00 6er. it is a direct bolt on with no fabrication.
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Yeap, it would seem that ATI also provides a setup for the v6

Well, I would imagine that a lot of what ATI provided as information for the v8 system holds true for the v6.

IMHO, I would not set out for full RWHP - I would ease into it to make sure your engine is handling it fine, but that is just me - I tend to be careful
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i would break my rear axle or break teeth off the pinion gear before my engine would blow. thats why I'm either getting the 8.8" or just new gears and a t-lok.
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