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Old 01-05-2005, 07:08 AM   #1
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3000gt?

anyone know what these things do stock in the 1/4? (the one talking smack is the base model, no mods whatsoever) I don't recall ever seeing one of these things run... I'm wondering If I have a chance.

BTW, I've got GT takeoffs and a CAI.
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You do, my buddies bone stock five oh accept for a k&n beat a twin turbo one. They are heavy. bet him money on it, best out of three races. At the track of coarse so Brent will let you talk about it!
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This is an easy question, if you have a 5-speed against a stock 3000(you didn't say if it was the turbo version or not) and if you know how and when to shift properly, then there is definitely light. Coming from the import scene I know what those cars are capable of producing with mods, and it's not pretty. I have a buddy who has a twin turbo AWD version running low 9s, and still street legal. But a N/A version stock may run about mid-15s because of the weight
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It's not the turbo model. I don't thing he's ever really ran it that hard anyhow. I'll just have to get him to take it to the track when it opens back up.
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BTW, I've got an auto tranny...
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Well, in that case, with flawless shifting, give him the ***-whooping he deserves for running his mouth. But his top-end will kill you if you're not careful
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This is an easy question, if you have a 5-speed against a stock 3000(you didn't say if it was the turbo version or not) and if you know how and when to shift properly, then there is definitely light. Coming from the import scene I know what those cars are capable of producing with mods, and it's not pretty. I have a buddy who has a twin turbo AWD version running low 9s, and still street legal. But a N/A version stock may run about mid-15s because of the weight
Low 9's are you sure? It is sooo hard to run in the 9's. Show some vids & I will believe you.
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vr4 tt are pretty mean just the weight that kills em
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I know but low 9's?
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Low 9's are you sure? It is sooo hard to run in the 9's. Show some vids & I will believe you.
AWD- twin turbo
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depend on the level.... the base level are 17 sec cars... unless its the turbo version its gonna be a slow pig.
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Well, in that case, with flawless shifting, give him the ***-whooping he deserves for running his mouth. But his top-end will kill you if you're not careful

At the track, I doubt his top end would really be a factor. Is the base model one front or rear wheel drive?
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It all depends on what you have done to your car. If you have done some decent mods to your car you might be alright against him if he is stock. But the auto 6's are a little lack luster stock so the acceleration is slower than what it could be. But I say go for it anyways it never hurts to see where you stand at the track so I say go for it but don't be the one talking trash. Do it classy like and then if you win you will make him look like a total @$$ clown.
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At the track, I doubt his top end would really be a factor. Is the base model one front or rear wheel drive?
The stock model is rear-wheel drive
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Low 9's are you sure? It is sooo hard to run in the 9's. Show some vids & I will believe you.
I don't have footage, but I can tell you this guy invested roughly $80,000 on the setup, which consists of: pistons, rods, crank, cams, 2 HKS turbos(Forgot which kind), fuel management upgrade w/ pcm, Fireball ignition, differential swap, etc...The list goes on, I just can't remember eveything he's done, but I can tell you that the car pulls nearly 900hp @ 24psi. Are you convinced yet?
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80 grand? Craps, I'd buy myself a Supra with that and have enough for over 1000 HP EASY!
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street legal...sure, I camn buy that. Reliable daily driver? DOn't think so. Sounds liek a garage queen to me. Just a guess, though.
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80 grand? Craps, I'd buy myself a Supra with that and have enough for over 1000 HP EASY!
That is very true, but keep in mind that mill in the Supra has unlimited capabilities, meaning you can have 1000+hp on tap and still can drive it everyday. But the engine in the 3000 is a little more complexed and not as strong a motor as the Supra, therefore it's gonna cost you more to get these types of numbers and still worry about if you can even use it on a daily basis, which is what my friend has been fighting since the transformation. But on the track it's an animal
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It's not the turbo model. I don't thing he's ever really ran it that hard anyhow. I'll just have to get him to take it to the track when it opens back up.
You'll lose. My friend has a '95 SL. Think he has CAI, short shift, 7lb flywheel, stage 3 clutch, and no cat, he's beaten Corvettes, 5.0s, any V6 Mustang, 4.6L, Cobras, ect. He ran a 8 somethin at the 1/8 in town.

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They are front wheel drive.

They really pick up at 80. They move like you wouldn't believe at over 100mph.
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You'll lose. My friend has a '95 SL. Think he has CAI, short shift, 7lb flywheel, stage 3 clutch, and no cat, he's beaten Corvettes, 5.0s, any V6 Mustang, 4.6L, Cobras, ect. He ran a 8 somethin at the 1/8 in town.


They are front wheel drive.

They really pick up at 80. They move like you wouldn't believe at over 100mph.
Actually you're right. But for the last few production years, they all were AWD and those are nothing to play with
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I agree with most that has been said. Except for Js281GT saying he beat (or knows someone who beat) the vr4 with a stock 5.0, are you sure that you raced a competent driver? Those vr4's are no joke. Not calling b/s, just want to learn more about the situation. And just like they were saying, you can go to the supra forums and find supras that run 9's that are street legal. There is a guy on there who did it without nitrous but he may have been running slicks at the time, I don't remember. There was a guy who ran 7's at 199 m.p.h. :worship: don't think he was street legal though, haha.
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Except for Js281GT saying he beat (or knows someone who beat) the vr4 with a stock 5.0, are you sure that you raced a competent driver? Those vr4's are no joke. Not calling b/s, just want to learn more about the situation.
My friends were out one night and saw a VR4 race a Roush Stage 3 on the interstate, after 100, that VR4 just pulled away.

It takes alot to run with a VR4. AWD. TT. 6spd.
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My friends were out one night and saw a VR4 race a Roush Stage 3 on the interstate, after 100, that VR4 just pulled away.

It takes alot to run with a VR4. AWD. TT. 6spd.
You wanna here something interesting. In stock form, a simple change in the computer can get a VR-4 up to 190mph. The governer set the top speed to about 155mph. It's been done done in Japan, so I'm assuming someone in the states has probably tried it
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My friends were out one night and saw a VR4 race a Roush Stage 3 on the interstate, after 100, that VR4 just pulled away.

It takes alot to run with a VR4. AWD. TT. 6spd.
Ya but if you put a twin turbo on that roush & it is a different story!
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I don't have footage, but I can tell you this guy invested roughly $80,000 on the setup, which consists of: pistons, rods, crank, cams, 2 HKS turbos(Forgot which kind), fuel management upgrade w/ pcm, Fireball ignition, differential swap, etc...The list goes on, I just can't remember eveything he's done, but I can tell you that the car pulls nearly 900hp @ 24psi. Are you convinced yet?
Ya now I believe you, 24psi, holy moly. I will be in the 10's with 12psi. If I had 80k to blow, I would get a twin turbo (if I wasn't in Cali) & run 24psi & be in the low 8's.
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Ya now I believe you, 24psi, holy moly. I will be in the 10's with 12psi. If I had 80k to blow, I would get a twin turbo (if I wasn't in Cali) & run 24psi & be in the low 8's.
I believe many tests have been conducted that showed that a twin turbo setup is inferior to a single turbo setup. You will probably see a bunch of mkIV supras that have converted to a single turbo setup for better times.

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Ya but if you put a twin turbo on that roush & it is a different story!
Not trying to be a dick but...there wasn't a twin turbo setup on the roush. No matter what you can say "if this then...." Anyone can make fun of a civic then they can say, yeah well if honda made my car with a 4.6/3.8 litre I'd kick your ***, but it's not the case. Pretty much every car company has the same capabilities as is seen in most racing. When they put all their resources together, price isn't involved, they all have the same limitations and all the companies have some wins and some losses.

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You wanna here something interesting. In stock form, a simple change in the computer can get a VR-4 up to 190mph. The governer set the top speed to about 155mph. It's been done done in Japan, so I'm assuming someone in the states has probably tried it
Makes sense to me, my governer was set at 155 but even in stock form I couldn't hit 190, that's pretty fast. With my stock differential I think it was calculated to equal 168 m.p.h. top speed at redline in 5th. I say calculated because everyone knows that stock speedos are inaccurate especially at those speeds and I didn't want to claim anything other than was mathematically reasonable/proven.
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I know, pretty much nothing beats cubic inches.
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I know, pretty much nothing beats cubic inches.
Seriously, look at a Viper, what is it like 8.0 litres? Crap that car is fast. However, the mclaren F1 is only 5.0 I believe. Same engine as the 850 if I remember correctly. Bugatti eb110 is only a 6 cylinder too I believe, but quad (dual sequential) turbos, that'll get the job done too, haha.
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I know, nothing can touch the tt vipers & vettes. Did you know the tt vette does 0-60 in two seconds flat. wow Now imagine if these American companies had the money to blow to make the car carbon fiber everything like the mclaren f1.
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Are you coming to lacr with us? Last time we were there tt lingenfilter corvette on slicks. Whew, fast car. Leaving the line it just looked amazing. Here's some information just so everyone knows how slow our track is...what would you think this guy runs in his tt corvette on slicks...well at lacr he ran low 11's, lol! Isn't that ridiculous?
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Seriously, look at a Viper, what is it like 8.0 litres? Crap that car is fast. However, the mclaren F1 is only 5.0 I believe. Same engine as the 850 if I remember correctly. Bugatti eb110 is only a 6 cylinder too I believe, but quad (dual sequential) turbos, that'll get the job done too, haha.
The McLaren sports a better breathing version of the V-12. More testing and tinkering was done to make it the monster that it is
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The bigger the engine just means the more gas it's gonna chug to get the power you want. That's why we have gas-guzzler taxes on these specific cars. It's sucks
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Ya I think it goes 0-100 & back to 0 in ten seconds. Can't compete with that.
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Ya I think it goes 0-100 & back to 0 in ten seconds. Can't compete with that.
The only car the would've topped that would've been the Buggati Veyron, but they trashed the project because they couldn't get the engine right. Think about it, a quad-turbo V-16 engine with 1000 hp on tap
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I think Cadillac has a fast one too.
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