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Old 05-20-2009, 07:25 PM   #1
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WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wft!!! How are you guys NOT sending **** out the blocks of your cars? You guys are pulling 300+,350+,400+hp out your 3.8s/4.0s when your guts can only handle no more than 350 at the motor? Or are you guys just neglecting to mention your built bottom end?

I mean, you guys have all the built top end in the world and making all the boost in the world with all kinds of crazy power and mention nothing of bottom ends.

If someone could please enlighten me to some magical trick or person you guys are going to thats pulling some kind of wizardry, I'm very eager to listen and be enlightened.
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Something else .......how are you guys pulling 13 second 1/4s on same power or less than I'm making???? I'm bangin 14.4s with 264hp at the wheel and then come across some thread or mag article of some joke bangin 230whp flippin 13s.........wtf??? Please enlighten me!!!

I'm not aggrivated at all.
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How good of driver are you do u have an auto and whats do u have in your rear end
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Well I thought I was good, but apparently I suck. Yes, I have an automatic, but I seriously doubt that'd have any effect. Its tuned and shift pressures are dramatically increased. The trans is a 4R70W 4spd auto with a 3:73 gear.
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what year is it?
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2001 V6. Would you care for a list of my mods?
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Ya hit me up
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P1SC supercharger (9lbs of boost)
BBK shortie headers
Jegs cat back
Bosch 39# inject
Diablo mafia MAF
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3:73s
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Micky Thompson E/T streets
Gutted back seat
gutted trunk
gutted front and rear bumper supports

this wkend I'll have a:
BBK 65mm TB
Ford Racing aluminum driveshaft
performance ditributor coil pack

and when I go to the track unistall my pass. seat

so this is what I'm workin with.
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well who told you they had 350 hp in thier v6? Cuz i don't know anyone on here that does
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are many different factors..

Launch is a big one.. I can run a 14.4, then the next pass run a 13.2 - all based on whether I hook or spin off the line

Another factor: not all Dyno's are the same.. More telling would be your trap speeds (regardless of 1/4 time..) - If you could let us know.. you ought to be able to hit 13s with a 97+ MPH trap speed
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well who told you they had 350 hp in thier v6? Cuz i don't know anyone on here that does
I run 362 ft lbs to the wheels through my 3.8 :pnoid:
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idk man, I see and read about'em all over the place....on forums, magazines, friends of friends, etc. etc.

In my research on the 3.8, i've learned that one can't make anymore than 350hp at the motor without sending **** out the block. block, heads, intake, trans, and drivelines cool. just that the bottom end is the weak link. IF!!!!!!! this is true, the how are all these ppl making all this power without scattering ****.
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You should be running much better than 14s with a SC
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i'm sure it can handle 350hp
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yeah I know....I've got a small exhuats leak on cyl #2 on the pass. side bank. I'll be addressing that next wk.
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I mean yeah, my motor can handle 350, but it won't last long. this is my daily everyday. playing with fire? I know. I've made peace with that, I'm not stupid, I've done my research.
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really don't know man they probably don't tell what they did to the bottom end.
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*sigh*.....so I guess I'll spill my guts....found this article in 5.0 magazine over the wkend about this guy who has pretty much the same year, same motor, same trans, etc. and all he added was a turbo, injectors, and a fuel pump and a chip. Made less power than me, spent less, and did low 13s. So, I'm a little flustered.
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's very possible that that was not true.
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been daily driving my car for almost 4 years now (4 in august) and have been running over 10 PSI for 3 of those with a ton of track passes.. its holding up fine

and for what its worth, a turbo will outperform a SC in almost every case
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

True, there is that slight chance that it could be a misprint/typo. Magazines have been known to from time to time. Still, I think its the principle that I'm stuck on.
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still think with your mods and HP rating your car should be faster, what's your trap speed?
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHo was the owner tof the car in question? and my N/A trap speeds are about the same as yours.

You have problems with your car, the dyno is lying to you, or you have a very bad tune.
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:57 PM   #26
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idk ryan...somethings up. i'm just trying to pick and sort through it. I've just spent a lot of money on this car and mods and such, put a LOT of time and effort into all this, and invested and sacrificed a LOT. Just trying to be sure that I'm sure that I have all my p's and q's and jazz straight. If not, then I def want to address it.
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Start simple.. make sure no vacuum lines are blown off or out of place/ broken/cracked

fix that exhaust leak, it'll throw your 02s off and your car will run rich or lean, too far either way will rob power

What gap do you have your spark plugs at? may seem trivial, but it can make a big difference on SC cars, I was set too wide and was losing power at WOT/full boost.. gapped the plugs smaller and its been great since

Make sure you have proper fuel pressure at WOT.. get a fuel gauge hooked up and take it for a spin
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spark plugs are gapped at .0035ths. I just had it dynoed at dynospeed racing in memphis. Tuner said, showed, and explained to me that car is running and is set perfectly. A/f is set, timing set. But yeah, got a oem thin metal gasket on my bbk header set up, hoping a set of bbk cork/rubber gaskets will fix it. Those are ordered and will be in next wk.
While I was waiting for you guys to reply I took the liberty to take a gander at the other forums this site has to offer and ventured into the drag racing thread....and there was a thread specifically for automatics....WOW!!!! I've had a LOT ppl tell me that, but I guess it took this guy to explain it this perticular way for it to make sense. So gonna try the suggestion.
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*sigh*.....so I guess I'll spill my guts....found this article in 5.0 magazine over the wkend about this guy who has pretty much the same year, same motor, same trans, etc. and all he added was a turbo, injectors, and a fuel pump and a chip. Made less power than me, spent less, and did low 13s. So, I'm a little flustered.
There's a guy running around local with a 5speed NA 01 Cobra that makes some unbelievably sick E.T.s on his car that people have a hard time believing, but its been proven.

There are alot of factors that play into E.T.s .MPH is the real proof of the possible E.T. of the vehicle 97mph could very well put you into the 13s

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It's very possible that that was not true.
I would believe it to be true. I would imagine the owner provided a time slip, as a journalist would blindly type lies.
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I've been daily driving my car for almost 4 years now (4 in august) and have been running over 10 PSI for 3 of those with a ton of track passes.. its holding up fine

and for what its worth, a turbo will outperform a SC in almost every case
Whats done to your car?

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spark plugs are gapped at .0035ths. I just had it dynoed at dynospeed racing in memphis. Tuner said, showed, and explained to me that car is running and is set perfectly. A/f is set, timing set. But yeah, got a oem thin metal gasket on my bbk header set up, hoping a set of bbk cork/rubber gaskets will fix it. Those are ordered and will be in next wk.
While I was waiting for you guys to reply I took the liberty to take a gander at the other forums this site has to offer and ventured into the drag racing thread....and there was a thread specifically for automatics....WOW!!!! I've had a LOT ppl tell me that, but I guess it took this guy to explain it this perticular way for it to make sense. So gonna try the suggestion.
You should but it to 11psi, and have it re-tuned it should be making 320-300rwhp. You may want to look into getting long tubes if you don't have them. Other than that I'm not sure, maybe get your dynograph and post it? there is a guy on MM with a bolt on v6 running 14.8s you should be way faster.

And yes turbo will always do better.
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Whats done to your car?

Haha well that's the thing..

I was referring to the 3.8 in my regal GS - it's got a 3.2" overdrive pulley, intercooler, ported SC/LIM, CAI, shorty headers, 3"DP to 2.5" catback on the motor.. trans has 3.29 gears and 3000 stall converter
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Haha well that's the thing..

I was referring to the 3.8 in my regal GS - it's got a 3.2" overdrive pulley, intercooler, ported SC/LIM, CAI, shorty headers, 3"DP to 2.5" catback on the motor.. trans has 3.29 gears and 3000 stall converter
Aha, huge difference as you have a blower that makes tons of torque.
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so, what do you guys know about head gaskets on the 3.8? and what do you guys know about the problems and such that these things apparent/supposedly have?
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do you think I may have a leaking/blown head gasket along with my exhuats leak? What are your feed back on this?
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So, I just got done installing my aluminum driveshaft, 65mm throttle body, and hotter coil pack n wires. Is there anything I need to expect, look out for, be aware of, or anything of the such?
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