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Old 06-14-2009, 10:15 AM   #1
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6speed stick in a v6

How could i get a 6 speed transmission in my V6? Anyone have a bell housing for this? or maybe a adapter?
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

ive never seen it done but since its been done on 5.0l's im sure its possible, but why do you want to do it, what are the bonuses? about the only good thing is shorter gears so for autox maybe
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ive never seen it done but since its been done on 5.0l's im sure its possible, but why do you want to do it, what are the bonuses? about the only good thing is shorter gears so for autox maybe
Stock V6 gears
1st 3.35 2nd 1.99 3rd1.33 4th 1.00 5th 0.68
T56 Aftermarket gearing Tnet 1077 (not cobra gearing)
1st 2.97 2nd 1.78 3rd 1.3 4th 1.0 5th 0.74 6th 0.50

Seems like the gearing would give better use of 1st gear (currently it seems like you have to shift to 2nd instanty) and the 6th gear 0.50 would give better highway milage over the 0.68. Throw a 3.73 rear in and it seems like it would kick some @$$.
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

yeah, a few people have done it. I'm doing it when I toss in my stroker.
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

thats when i plan on doing it. better to do it all at once. Im deciding rather to buy a supersix 4.3 stroker or have my cousin build me a 4.2 (maybe more). Hes got more experience than i do and hes only 17. Hes built and blown more engines than I've wrecked cars.
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

do you want it to be faster in a straight line or autox or just a better daily driver?

The final drive will help with gas mileage, i wish mine was .50

by putting in 3.73 you are altering the final gear vs stock so you might put yourself right back where you started.

also note the T-5 in the 99-04 is different in gearing from others, they seem to change the T-5 gearing regularly just fyi.
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

If you go Cobra t56 you will need to pick up the rear end with a steep gear. With out 3.73s or what not your gears will be way too long IMO.
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

cobra spec T-56s have a .63 or something final drive vs a .50 in others which sucks
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If you go Cobra t56 you will need to pick up the rear end with a steep gear. With out 3.73s or what not your gears will be way too long IMO.
Its a T56 from tremec. There are about 20 gearing setups to choose from.
I dont see where i would need that much steeper of a gear I can take off in 2nd which is 1.99 and only NEED to use first (3.35) starting uphill. Even then Im shifting to second instantly.(unless I redline the sucker and shift around 45mph) so 2.97 doesnt sound too bad. I beat the **** out of this car and still get 26-29 mpg. Mostly highway.
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

my 2.97 first with 3.55 rear i have no issues using first normally its not shorter than any other stock manual mustang ive ever drove.
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

Well I'm not 100% sure on gears yet. At least not untill i build my engine first. I just want to see if there is a way to do it and how.
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

if the bell housings differ from 5.0L to 3.8L then it probably wont work as I dont know anyone that makes a v6 only kit, just 5.0L kits~ thats the big question to find out.
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

If the wikipedia list is correct they have the same Late Windsor V8 bolt patern. As well as the first 2 casting runs of the 4.6 Mod motor.

Later Windsor V8 pattern

200 I6 1980-1983 only, partial (4 of 6 bolts) pattern. ,250 I6 ,255 V8
289 V8 - (made after August 3, 1964) - had 6 bolts holding bellhousing to block
302 V8 including Boss 302 ,302 Cleveland (Australia)
351 Cleveland V8 (not the 351 Cleveland M-block engine)
351 Boss ,351 Cobra Jet ,351 Windsor V8
400 Cleveland M-block V8 aka 400FMX (certain 1973 casting numbers D1AE and D3AE, mated to the FMX transmission)
3.8/3.9/4.2L Canadian Essex 90° V6 (RWD only) ,240 I6 ,300 I6
4.6L Modular V8 (first two casting runs, numbers F1AE and F2VE)
5.0L V8

Modular V8 pattern
4.6L SOHC/DOHC V8 (later castings, F3VE and up) 5.4L "Triton" SOHC/DOHC V8
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do you want it to be faster in a straight line or autox or just a better daily driver?
Im late on this but..... Mostly a DD maybe a street race here and there. Drag on track once in a while. Would like to try autoX. Main thing is whooping my cousins supra on the street. He has a 94 NA supra so by the time he turbos it i want to get my engine build and supercharged I'm sure an extra gear has to help some. His supra is 220Hp 210Tq stock I could see him getting a 500 hp car in the end. He doesnt have $100,000 it takes to make those 1,000 Hp supras. It has to be a 6cyl vs 6cyl. I dont wanna hear him whine about me having extra pistons.

BTW the cousin helping me has a 70? NOVA and a Ford focus (Im turning him into a ford fan)
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

i would probably focus on the engine first though as the T-5 you have is pretty good, gearing will help but not THAT much overall. The only real thing the T-56 is good at is autox vs just having a 5 speed.
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

how well do you think the T-5 would take a beating from a supercharged 4.2-4.3 stroker?
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

Well enough if you apply the differences in prices and #'s readily available for sale...
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Well enough if you apply the differences in prices and #'s readily available for sale...
Well enough could be gears scattered all over the road. A well built aftermarket T-5 rated 600hp/500Tq can run you way higher that a T-56 from tremec.
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how well do you think the T-5 would take a beating from a supercharged 4.2-4.3 stroker?
its just one of those things, it depends on how you treat it. My friend has a stock 140k+ T-5 in a 300rwhp 5.0L fox body and its still going.
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its just one of those things, it depends on how you treat it. My friend has a stock 140k+ T-5 in a 300rwhp 5.0L fox body and its still going.
My brother had a t-5 with world class gears that he treated like a wet dog for years. Sold the trans to my cousin and he still treats it like a dog. Both cars had/have 400+.
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

so you think i should just have the T-5 rebuilt with strong gears?
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

I think droppin money on a 6speed is a waste, wait till you break this trans before you replace or rebuild it. Why rebuild/replace it if its not broken?
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I think droppin money on a 6speed is a waste, wait till you break this trans before you replace or rebuild it. Why rebuild/replace it if its not broken?
+1 What kind of numbers are you planning on making? If your not going crazy then I would take it how it is until it fails. That way you can use the money on other supporting mods or save for what you decide you just want. The stock trans can take a little beating as long as you treat it right. You can miss a gear in any trans and blow it up on the spot.
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Because I want to do it all once and do it right. Once I have my wifes Fusion paid off I can dump all that payment money on the stang $460Mo plus what i get on side jobs. Maybe she'll get a job and pay half the bills then I'll realy have some money to pour on it.

Theres one thing i just dont get. How the hell you you miss a gear? Ive heard it alot from guys driving Auto honda civics. favorate excuse for loosing "I missed a gear"!
Whats even funnier is how they put the trans in N so it'll roll back on a hill and look like a stick.(so they think)
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Theres one thing i just dont get. How the hell you you miss a gear?
If you have never missed a gear then your turn will come. It's inevitable. You will slip the clutch to early, over throw 3rd, or just completely **** up and you'll know once that Rev Limiter bounces 2 or 3 times and your a 2 car pace behind your opponent you would have beat. If you power shift then you have to be perfect and precise. I only powershift when I am wearing tennis shoes and am fully focused on what I am doing.

Honda drivers use it as a crutch as you honestly have to wonder if they did or didn't b/c they are too slow.
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

do you grab the shifter when shifting to 3rd of just slap it into 3rd. I do the later once out of 2nd it centers on its own. I wouldnt call my honda slow but then again it isnt a car much less a civic. I do have a friend with an acura integra thats fast as hell. After he put a $20K engine in it that is.
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do you grab the shifter when shifting to 3rd of just slap it into 3rd. I do the later once out of 2nd it centers on its own. I wouldnt call my honda slow but then again it isnt a car much less a civic. I do have a friend with an acura integra thats fast as hell. After he put a $20K engine in it that is.
I understand your point, but how many people drive Inegras with $20K engines around....
I let it center itself as much as possible, but you can't really allow that when you are forcing a car to shift as fast as nearly possible. Were talking about split second shifts with full throttle still pegged. No room for error. In some cases when I know the race is mine I will granny it.
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Re: 6speed stick in a v6

its not always about it going in the correct direction its the timing of the clutch. No matter how good you are, you will eventually miss a gear.. I usually will miss one from time to time just driving normally not paying attention.. I will let the clutch out a bit to fast between shifts or something~ its just how it is. It doesnt grind very bad but you know its a missed gear.

I suppose you could power shift it (yank hard dont use the clutch) but thats also not a good idea.
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I totaly trashed some import (dont remember what is was) learning to drive a manual. Grinded the gears and the clutch was shot when i got done. I've had no problems since. The car was my fathers GF's (Ex now). I had a 83 5.0 waiting for me to turn 16 and get a DL but they broke up. She sold all his cars and mine since she had the titles and they where in her fathers barn. 69 mach1 w/ 427CJ almost finished being restored, 69 cougar, 66 Ranger, ford galaxie 65-67? and my 83. So I dont feel bad at all about what i did.
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She sold them? Where I come from that's justifiable homicide. Stupid *****....
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