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Old 03-09-2005, 07:06 AM   #1
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Made up my mind!!

After much debating I have decided to install some high flow cats back on my car. I will have them custom installed on my O/R H pipe. Knowing the federal laws will come into effect soon requiring all states conform to emmission laws, even states currently without inspections and the fact I have a little to much exhaust noise inside my car than I like. Alos it is the right thing to do for the environment

I am not saying it does not sound good because you young guys dont mind the increased volumes in your car. But at 44 it is a little much especially since I do take my family for drives and military officers to business lunches from time to time.

I know I will lose a few HP in the process but with the installation of the BV heads I should not miss it and still have about a +20 hp gain even with the cats back on. I will dyno in the next couple of weeks to verify my gains.
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I wonder if I should get a catted h-pipe and save myself the hassle of having to put some cats in later on?
Well, Ill be looking fwd to seeing your numbers!
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Screw the enviroment

You know, as a kid I grew up in NW Indiana, all around were steel mills.

I gotta disagree with that Brent, While I do think the environmental movement is overboard (look at how they started, or rather who started them) I also think responsible stewardship of the land is required.

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cats dont really do anything hp wise anyway, you might have a extra 5hp w/o them but u cant feel that once it gets to the wheels. I say put em on. ill be getting a offroad H then putting cats on for the fact its cheaper, 150-200 H pipe compared to 400+ cats I can get for 50 or less each.
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You know, as a kid I grew up in NW Indiana, all around were steel mills.

I gotta disagree with that Brent, While I do think the environmental movement is overboard (look at how they started, or rather who started them) I also think responsible stewardship of the land is required.

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You know, as a kid I grew up in NW Indiana, all around were steel mills.

I gotta disagree with that Brent, While I do think the environmental movement is overboard (look at how they started, or rather who started them) I also think responsible stewardship of the land is required.

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So Cal air quality.... well... Lets just say you would be better off smoking through a cigarrette 24/7... at least then you'll have a filter!

But alas, I only smoke cigars on rare occasions.... maybe once a month.

**** I'm not worried about the cigar... I'm worried about all the damn smog I've been breathing all my life!
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After much debating I have decided to install some high flow cats back on my car. I will have them custom installed on my O/R H pipe. Knowing the federal laws will come into effect soon requiring all states conform to emmission laws, even states currently without inspections and the fact I have a little to much exhaust noise inside my car than I like. Alos it is the right thing to do for the environment

I am not saying it does not sound good because you young guys dont mind the increased volumes in your car. But at 44 it is a little much especially since I do take my family for drives and military officers to business lunches from time to time.

I know I will lose a few HP in the process but with the installation of the BV heads I should not miss it and still have about a +20 hp gain even with the cats back on. I will dyno in the next couple of weeks to verify my gains.
Per our lengthy phone conversation, if the reason you have a lope
is due to factors I cited (excessive cross flow) The cats will reduce that.
Going BV will make the cats seem less of a restriction too, as you get more
flow from the same cam profile. Hi-Flows are not a big deal, they usually
do not restrict until much higher RPM's. Using a V8 exhaust on a V6, the
cats become somewhat of an equalizing factor.


BTW Corey, what did you think of the cams we discussed
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Cats are a good thing...IMO at least.
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In many situations they are a non-restriction, but in racing they should be left off if
it is legal. Most all cases it is.

My 89 5.0 had no cats and never seemed to suffer any ill effects,
but I also had the torque enhancing MAC prochamber and Warlock muffs,
plus 1.625" equal length headers. Warlocks are known to have higher
backpressure than many mufflers, if not properly sized. But then again,
running a V8 muffler on a V6 would seem to be just right if the flow is
slightly lessened. My system was all 2.5" mandrel bent.
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My 89 5.0 had no cats and never seemed to suffer any ill effects,
The only ill effects would be the damage to my lungs
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if they test every car and make you pass it by actually doing a test... no tjust looking at a car... just about every other person is gonna be pissed here lol EVERY one especially those with stangs and camaros have NO cats or mufflers for that matter
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They are going to start phasing in a mandatory smog emissions test into all the states here in the next few years. It will be one of those "conform or no more money" things.
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on that not from what i was told any new emissions laws can not be put on cars that are out now they are enacted on newer cars they can just say to the states that you must test for emissions but thats about it they would have to pass the laws your state had on those cars before
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on that not from what i was told any new emissions laws can not be put on cars that are out now they are enacted on newer cars they can just say to the states that you must test for emissions but thats about it they would have to pass the laws your state had on those cars before
Yeh, but still...I'll worry about cats if I ever do an engine swap or heavily mod the 6er..until then I really don't care.
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The Federal law signed by Clinton Gore takes affect over 06-07 It is vary harsh and involves impounding non conforming cars. Hell it regulates the amount of dust a Farming Combine can kick up tell they are fined for air polution.

Enviornment is a small issue compared to the noise issue.
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on that not from what i was told any new emissions laws can not be put on cars that are out now they are enacted on newer cars they can just say to the states that you must test for emissions but thats about it they would have to pass the laws your state had on those cars before
That is wrong. Current Federal law already can fine an muffler shop $10,000 per for incident of removing Cats. That is in all 50 states. The fine for you removing it from your car if turned in is $10,000 That is in all 50 states.
Federal emission laws supercede all state laws

Cats are required in all 50 states reqardless if they have required inspections or not.

I am not hammering anyone who chooses to have cats or not. Like I said I have my reasons and the main rreason is comfort inside my car. Other than that *****ing in my post is unwarranted and not justified

So Brent BACK THE CRAP UP AND STFU HAHAHHAHAHAHAA
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The Federal law signed by Clinton Gore takes affect over 06-07 It is vary harsh and involves impounding non conforming cars. Hell it regulates the amount of dust a Farming Combine can kick up tell they are fined for air polution.

Enviornment is a small issue compared to the noise issue.
Got any links where I can read up on this?
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Got any links where I can read up on this?
Dam Brent you have fingers. type in something.gov and you should find it you lazy bastard HAHAHHAHHAHA
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Got any links where I can read up on this?
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Per our lengthy phone conversation, what did you think of the cams we discussed
This means you Mr. Danger Dog




If you get one Brent will be
cuz he did not get one!!! But it's always an option for later.

I would not build any engine with old cam tech now, the new
stuff is like going from flat tappet to roller, it is that much better
than the old hydraulic roller lobes.
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This means you Mr. Danger Dog
Super duper cool 2 plus hours on the phone with you was enlightening to say the least k:

Hell we crammed 4 years of Forum talk into 2 hours
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Super duper cool 2 plus hours on the phone with you was enlightening to say the least k:

Hell we crammed 4 years of Forum talk into 2 hours
More like 6+ years, I went back to 1998 remember?

Whatcha think of the cam we discussed?
I could get you up to a slightly bigger .050" duration,
less advertised, and more valve action everywhere, with
oodles more lift.

Your old cam is the first one I ever did,
and it is actually a mild SC grind. Lobes designed
for the old cylindrical springs and heavy valvetrains.

Step into the new millenium!
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More like 6+ years, I went back to 1998 remember?

Whatcha think of the cam we discussed?
I could get you up to a slightly bigger .050" duration,
less advertised, and more valve action everywhere, with
oodles more lift.

Your old cam is the first one I ever did,
and it is actually a mild SC grind. Lobes designed
for the old cylindrical springs and heavy valvetrains.

Step into the new millenium!
Yes we did go back 6 years into history BY GOD !!!!

My mind is working now on all we talked about. The cam discussion was eye opening and requires another discussion as to when i would be able to do a cam swap
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My mind is working now on all we talked about. The cam discussion was eye opening and requires another discussion as to when i would be able to do a cam swap
Not a good idea to get you all excited yet, I guess
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Not a good idea to get you all excited yet, I guess
I just got my wife last week to buy into letting me install my BV heads. Now you want me to ask her to let me spring for another cam!!!! Dude it has to come in moderation or I get hit with a skillet


DONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!

Wife: dialing 911
911:Can I help you
Wife: My husband was hit in the head andis on the ground not moving
911: Can you tell me what happened
Wife: I knock his *** out with a 10" skillet
911: Why did you do that
Wife: He spent more money on that damn Mustang
911: Well my husband does that on football gambling. Sounds like he deserves it.
Wife: Sure does!! wait he is getting up
DONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!
Wife: He is out again!!!
911: HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA sounds like you dont need our help. Goodnight click!!
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So Corey how your head feel?
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By God I can see it happening in my mind

Wife: Hey honey something came in the mail
Me: cool what is it
Wife: I dont know open the box
Me: Cool it is a new cam
Wife: A WHAT!!!!!

DONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!

Wife: dialing phone
911: hello Mrs Reynolds did your husband hit his head again
Wife: HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
911: HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
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Man you crack me up.

I can just picture it.
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Oh yeah This happened but there is some distortions of the truth to make it more interesting

Wife: Honey you got a package in the mail
Me: hummm!!!, being cautious.I wonder who it is from
Wife: I dont know open it
Me: "very hesitant" OK ?????
Wife: ARE THOSE MUSTANG PARTS!!!!!
ME: "Frightened" Hummmmm!! Yes but wait!!!! They are Kirks parts. Here look he sent me the money to powdercoat them.
Wife: Hummm!!! Money !!! I like money
Me: Get back you money grubbing banshee The money is for powdercoating
Wife:"putting the skillet back in the cabinet" OK honey
Me: woow close call.
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Hmmm.

I'll make a quick run to the junk yard & ship you a BIG box.












DONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!
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Hmmm.

I'll make a quick run to the junk yard & ship you a BIG box.





DONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!

wow kirk that is just damn mean. HAHAHHAHAHHA

But I like that!!! You think like me HEHEHHEHE
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