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Old 03-21-2005, 09:51 PM   #1
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Thinkin about S/C or Turbo.. but who isn't :p

Okay fellas.. this summer im gettin my gears, tlok, chip, etc.

Next summer I'm goin for a big increase in hp. I'm thinking either a turbo or a supercharger. My first question is.. "Is 4.10s overkill on a superchargeed/turboed car? or should i go with 3.73s?" I don't want it to be too out of control and I still want it to be driver friendly. BTW, its an auto.

Okay what I was thinking is something that isn't a lot of power but a decent boost. I think 5psi might be too little and 9psi is more ideal. I'm not sure yet. I can get 3k-5k easily by working over the summer. I dont really race so I don't want this beast of a car that I can't drive around my neighborhood. However, horsepower numbers don't mean much to me. Instead, I like to look at quarter mile times. I want something 13-14.5 seconds.

Soooo.. I did some research and I was looking at that guy's turbo kit that is mentioned in a few other topics as well as info on the vortech supercharger. How much would these cost? Right now I got a stock engine and I'm not sure if I need to do anything about that to prepare for these?
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this is what you need http://www.members.aol.com/andylittleton/tma.htm
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yeah i was lookin at that. man how bad i want it.. *drools*

however...

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Turbo headers = $ 630



Complete Turbo Piping Kit (Turbo headers, exhaust dump pipes, intercooler pipes) = $1800



Prices do not include shipping.



Extra parts that are needed and price estimates besides piping.



Brand New Garrett T3/T4 57 trim turbo off of Garrett Distributor (Supports 450 hp)= $520

Brand New Tial 38 MM wastegate = $220

Brand New Bosch BOV = $30

Brand New silicone hoses, T bolt clamps, vacuum hoses off HighTempSilicone.com= $150

Brand New oil feed and oil drain lines from Summitt = $80

Brand New K&N air filter, PCV catch can, Coating spray can, radiator catch can, reflective heat shields from Summit = $130



Total = $1130



Total with my complete Piping base turbo cost= $2930



So $2930 will get you a running setup with pipes already design to accept an intercooler that will bolt right in when you decide to upgrade in the future.



Optional Items



Brand New Spearco intercooler 18x8x3 inch core off Spearco Distributor= $360

Brand New Autometer boost gauge = $40

HKS BOV - $190

Optional Garrett T3/T04B 60-1, 62-1 turbo (Supports 600hp)(Recommend for forge bottom end built motors) $620


Total with boost gauge and intercooler and hks bov= $3490

Total with everything and Bigger turbo = $3590

thats a hell of a lot of money. i dont want that big turbo tho.. at least.. i dont think i do? im not sure how all this works and i dont necessarily know what i want. i think i want 9psi and no lag.. so the smaller turbo would work? that would need intercooled too, right? would i need any engine work to prep the engine for all this?
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so basically....

it would be around 3200 for the whole kit plus install?
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3490 is the TOTAL package with all options - the bigger turbo not bad for 275RWHP untuned at 4.4psi
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yeah thats what i meant.. i didnt click back to see the price though.

is the stock motor fine with this setup or is there any modifications i have to do to prep it? is everything in the kit needed for a complete setup? i know how in superchargers you need to upgrade some fuel stuff.
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with 4.4 psi you should be fine but i would suggest a dyno tune.
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at 4.4 PSI you dont need any mods but if you bump the boost you will need fuel upgrades and i would reccomend forged internals
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what kind of power increase should i expect out of a 4.4psi boost? a couple thousand dollars and a small increase might not be worth it.
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what kind of power increase should i expect out of a 4.4psi boost? a couple thousand dollars and a small increase might not be worth it.
if you are tuned you would prolly be at 300 rwhp. thats alot of power
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275 Wheel UNTUNED
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what kinda quarter mile time is that?
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oh.. and do i have to get the intercooler at those levels or am i cool without it?
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you dont NEED an intercooler, but i will NEVER EVER run FI on a car i own w/o one. its just soooooooooooooooooooooooooo much saver
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so.. that would be the same price (3400 or whatever it is) plus install.. i just wouldnt have to do any engine work?

how much would the fuel upgrades and forged internals cost?
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you dont need the forged internal or fuel upgerades for that setup. and u can install it your self, i dont have expirince with it but it looks like its a bolt on kit.
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fuel upgrades -

injectors - $150ish
pump - 100ish


forged rotating assembly -
forged parts - $800ish
install - $1000ish
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fuel upgrades -

injectors - $150ish
pump - 100ish


forged rotating assembly -
forged parts - $800ish
install - $1000ish

do you NEED the forged parts for 9psi or do you think the fuel upgrades are enough?
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do you NEED the forged parts for 9psi or do you think the fuel upgrades are enough?
oh **** you want to run 9 psi? i would get both forged and fuel upgrades for that.
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oh **** you want to run 9 psi? i would get both forged and fuel upgrades for that.
no no no.. i am just comparing my options right now so i can make the best economical decision. im very paranoid when it comes to big decisions like this. so far im leaning more towards...

4psi + complete kit
4.10 + Tlok + chip + 8.8 rear

the complete kit will probably cost near 3600 shipped (just an approx) plus 1000 for labor? not sure... just throwing out numbers.

the gears and whatnot will probably done first and that will probably cost around a grand.

i have to research the prices on the 8.8 rear and install prices and stuff.

after all this ill probably be done with performance.

geez.. so much money..
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you can install yourself im sure of it.
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you can install yourself im sure of it.
eh.. are you sure? i thought the CAI was a bit tricky haha.

im not so sure if i said it in this thread but i said it before.. i know a mediocre amount about cars, turbos, superchargers, etc.. i know a lot of theory. however, when it comes to getting my hands dirty i lack experience. im all book knowledge and no experience knowledge.
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eh.. are you sure? i thought the CAI was a bit tricky haha.

im not so sure if i said it in this thread but i said it before.. i know a mediocre amount about cars, turbos, superchargers, etc.. i know a lot of theory. however, when it comes to getting my hands dirty i lack experience. im all book knowledge and no experience knowledge.
http://www.members.aol.com/andylittl...stallation.htm
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yeah.. i guess it shouldnt be too big of a problem.

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If you passed high school and take your time installing it you’ll have no problem doing it yourself. Everybody fears the unknown and turbochargers are very unknown to most.
i suppose that describes how it is for me right there. thanks for your help and whatnot.. ill let you know how things turn out this summer.
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Personally I would save up and do it right... don't try to cut corners. Either go with the 4.2l and get forged internals or just buy forged rods and pistons and stay with the 3.8 crank. Then you don't have to worry about anything because in the process of replacing the rods and pistons you can get new headgaskets, check all your bearings... end you can go on and on to replace the heads and intakes and a cam.

But I would not run 9psi on your car if you can not afford to throw a rod
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Personally I would save up and do it right... don't try to cut corners. Either go with the 4.2l and get forged internals or just buy forged rods and pistons and stay with the 3.8 crank. Then you don't have to worry about anything because in the process of replacing the rods and pistons you can get new headgaskets, check all your bearings... end you can go on and on to replace the heads and intakes and a cam.

But I would not run 9psi on your car if you can not afford to throw a rod
i dunno man. thats a lot of $$$ i dont have. im gonna get the rims first. then the gears, tlok, and chip. THEN i will work my *** off for the turbo. we'll see how much money i make and go from there according to my budget.
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...or should i get the turbo first.
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...or should i get the turbo first.
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i hope i can pull it off.
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im sure this isnt the end of the thread.. ill probably be asking questions about superchargers tomorrow just to compare prices/output of power.
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Any time you decide to mod your car you need to weigh the pro's and con's nothing is ever as easy as it seems... and you WILL have issues its part of the modding way of life, it seems every mod I have installed on my car has came with complications....

Gears/tlok = gear whine (got fixed but it did whine and i broke the rear end also)

Exhaust = To close to the axle and rubbed on it, and got in the way when i had to remove the tranny to replace throwout bearing (welded on)

CAI = makes maf get dirty, got to clean it to keep the car idling smooth

etc etc etc... and with a mod like an SC or TC you best LOVE issues or have a spare car.
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bah.. i emailed andy.

just pulling a quote from it...

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Mheath got 275rwhp and 285rwtorque with 4.4 psi however he does have a modified cam and self ported intakes. Im guessing on a stock setup you can expect 230rwhp, 240 rwtorque at 4.4 psi.

with 4.10 gears t lock and gears on a stock car you would probably get high 14's at best.
With my turbo setup on a stock car and 4.4 psi high 13's is easily attainable and possibly better
meh... i dunno anymore..
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eh its because you have teh auto
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bah, ill just save up and get a 5 speed GT in a few years. i guess im going with gears and whatnot this summer as planned.
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dont waste a G on gears if yuor getting a new car in a few years, i'm not
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