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Old 03-27-2005, 08:14 PM   #1
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Can anyone recommend a good muffler?

I know crap when it comes to exhaust stuff so I'm asking all of you fellow yellow Mustang drivers for advice.
I have a 2002 V6 and want a loud aggresive muffler since all I have now is stock.
I really want a dual exhaust system but unfortunatly cant afford to do that.
Is there a good sounding flowmaster or dynomax muffler I can change out the stock muffler with?
I like the new super 40 series from flowmaster but I think you need a dual exhaust for that one.

Maybe just a tip would be better?
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you dont need dual exhaust for anything.

you will get 10000 different opinions about exhaust sounds. my best advice to you is find a site that has exhaust audio and sample it. i know a lot of people like flowpaths, flowmasters, spintechs, etc...
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get flowmasters.
ewww get Mac Flowpaths
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I like the new super 40 series from Flowmaster. Its got a deep growl to it. Would that fit? Would I have to by anything else to put the muffler in?
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I like the new super 40 series from Flowmaster. Its got a deep growl to it. Would that fit? Would I have to by anything else to put the muffler in?
yes it will fit and it sounds awesome
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My car has Flowpaths....I say go for those...

Here's proof.... http://www.mustangevolution.com/foru...s/MOV00317.MPG
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i deff recommmend mac flowpaths, sound great
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ewww get Mac Flowpaths
i wouldnt be talking mr no cats lol... i have flowmasters they are just like any other muffler sound just as good/bad... a v6 will never sound great so dont expect it to just go for a low mellow tone sound say from a stock gt take off.
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Hey, I have magnaflows and I love them....they sounds great. IN my opinion, flowpaths or maganflows are both good pics. If you're looking for performance I'd definatly go with magnaflow because they have that "straight through design". If you're just going for sound and tone it's all about personal preferences. I really like both Magnaflow and the flowpaths. I've also heard some nice set-ups with spintech's.
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i like magnaflows "magnapack" kit on the v6 mustang its nice deep growl flowpaths are also nice
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when your exhaust flows to free its bad though so you dont want to loose all your backpressure, but a cat back 2.25 inch exhaust really wont kill it with just about any muffler design.
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I rather like my mach 1 takeoff's, a little louder than the gt takeoff's but not rice
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mufflers are basically preference in sound...not performance all the company claims I think are bs. Just pick something you think sounds good and go with it.



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I like the new super 40 series from Flowmaster. Its got a deep growl to it. Would that fit? Would I have to by anything else to put the muffler in?
Do not pick a muffler based on a sound clip on a V8. The fact is search for yourself. Everyone has their preferences. But if you want my honest thought on this I need to know a couple of things

How old are you. It is relevant

Do you want to......

Have a nice mellow tone?
Do you want a agressive tone at Idle or Wide Open Throttle?
Do you want to wake the dead?
Do you want a nice exhaust rumble to be heard inside your car?
Do you mind moderate noise in your car or do you want to have to turn up the radio to hear?
Do you drive on the interstate much where some chambered mufflers drone the most?
Where do you live?
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i think those sound ricey.
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a single 40 series delta flow flowmaster doesn't sound bad at all. It'll just drone at certain RMP's. I've got my old one sitting in storage right now, since I had it cut out and the GT takeoffs put in.
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Do not pick a muffler based on a sound clip on a V8. The fact is search for yourself. Everyone has their preferences. But if you want my honest thought on this I need to know a couple of things

How old are you. It is relevant

Do you want to......

Have a nice mellow tone?
Do you want a agressive tone at Idle or Wide Open Throttle?
Do you want to wake the dead?
Do you want a nice exhaust rumble to be heard inside your car?
Do you mind moderate noise in your car or do you want to have to turn up the radio to hear?
Do you drive on the interstate much where some chambered mufflers drone the most?
Where do you live?
Very very true Corey. I spent a good 6 months meeting up with ppl listening to their exhaust trying to find one I thought sounded good. It's all about personal preference. I didn't want mine where I couldn't hear myself think inside my car or anything, I just wanted a more or aggressive tone and such.
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I'd reccommend Flowmasterss!If I were you I would just go ahead and get duals tho becuz when you hear something nice like that its better to be able to have something nice looking.....mustangs with single exhaust don't look good.
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I'd reccommend Flowmasterss!If I were you I would just go ahead and get duals tho becuz when you hear something nice like that its better to be able to have something nice looking.....mustangs with single exhaust don't look good.

And he should look at your opinion as unbiased with a name like FloMasta24!!!!! Sure he should
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And he should look at your opinion as unbiased with a name like FloMasta24!!!!! Sure he should
Haha...it's all about opinion man... all about opinion. I heard a 99 with dual flow 40 series, didn't like the sound...but that's just me.
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Haha...it's all about opinion man... all about opinion. I heard a 99 with dual flow 40 series, didn't like the sound...but that's just me.
Actually if I knew what he wanted by the question I asked I would give him the most unbiased answer he is going to get on the forum. I have no allegiance to any muffler nor do I hate any brand of muffler. I have hundreds of PM's from people on this and other forums asking me about what exhaust is right for them. I give them info to use to search for the ones best for their desired application.
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WARLOCKS!!!!!!!!!!
Ditto! Get 1- 2.25" Warlock with the capped dump,
and get the best of both worlds. Then you can update
it to true duals later if you like, and the Warlocks sound
great BOTH ways, capped they sound like GT-Takeoffs
but a bit meaner, and uncapped they sound UNREAL...

I had a set on a GT and have heard them on a V6, that sounds great too!
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i would start off with GT take offs and runt he oem muffler then alter if you decie you want another type of muffler
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i think those sound ricey.


Most anything sounds ricey w/o cats, was that what it was?
They sound like GT Takeoffs with cats still on the car. Capped that is.



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I'd never really do an exhaust for sound on a V6 anyway, I'd do it
for power, the V6 has a distinct tone all it's own that does not
sound anything like a V8 when you are at WOT anyway, so just
wait until you can get an system that makes the power you need.
Tell us your entire future combo and we'll tell you if you need duals
later, then just save the $$$ and do it all at once. I know of a guy
that spent almost $10K on several (15 or more) exhaust systems
on his V6 and ended up with true duals, X-pipe and Magnaflows.
It sounded good for sure once he had the big stroker motor under
the hood, but strokers make the best sound because of the bigger
displacement (IMO) but that is alot of money to spend. Forget
sound and concentrate on power, and the sound will get as good
as it can if you build great power. 2.5" after cat single exhaust
makes good power for a modded single port or a close to stock
SPI motor. My own combo testing showed that it was good up
to ~190 RWHP, the system was a Bassani 2.5" single with dual
outlets on the muffler, he changed it at that point and only
picked up 2 RWHP so it was not really a restriction @ 190 RWHP.
But after he added the blower and hit 332 RWHP it was needed!

Since you have the '02 I'd get a dual system, since it is really easy
to get well over 200 RWHP with a cam and boltons... Most NA 3.8's
only need 2.25" duals so it is unlikely you will need 2.5" ever for a 3.8
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Heres my answers. All are in caps

How old are you. It is relevant (I'M 25. had my car for only a year)

Do you want to......

Have a nice mellow tone? (PREF MORE OF A DEEP GROWL LIKE THE SUPER 40 FLOWMASTERS)
Do you want a agressive tone at Idle or Wide Open Throttle? (NOT SO MUCH AT IDLE. MORE ON SAY TAKEOFF)
Do you want to wake the dead? (I WANT IT DEEP AND LOUD BUT NOT TO THE MAJOR LOUD WHERE IT WILL WAKE THE DEAD)
Do you want a nice exhaust rumble to be heard inside your car? (AS LONG AS ITS NOT TO ANNOYING. i CAN DEAL WITH A GOOD AMOUNT OF RUMBLE THOUGH)
Do you mind moderate noise in your car or do you want to have to turn up the radio to hear? (SAY IN BETWEEN)
Do you drive on the interstate much where some chambered mufflers drone the most? (I DRIVE MORE IN THE CITY. INTERSTATE IS WHEN I GO TO SAY ORLANDO OR TO TAMPA)
Where do you live? (I LIVE IN CLEARWATER FLORIDA)

AND ANOTEHR QUESTION. I HAVENT LOOKED DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THE CAR AT THE MUFFLER SYSTEM. IS IT WELDED OR EASY TO REPLACE ON MY OWN IF I BOUGHT A NEW ONE?
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So confusing. to bad I didnt have an extra $4 grand for a GT back when I got my car. Well actually I should ssay to bad I couldnt afford the extra higher payment.
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ended up with true duals, X-pipe and Magnaflows
how can he have true duals with a x-pipe :whistle: :chin:
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AND ANOTEHR QUESTION. I HAVENT LOOKED DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THE CAR AT THE MUFFLER SYSTEM. IS IT WELDED OR EASY TO REPLACE ON MY OWN IF I BOUGHT A NEW ONE?
Unless you have a sawzall, pipe bender, etc, I'd just take it to an exhaust shop to get anything done.
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how can he have true duals with a x-pipe :whistle: :chin:

True Duals are twin pipes all the way thru, whether there is a crossover or not.
TD's are with no crossover, or an "H" or "X" pipe, but not a factory "Y" in there.

You are thinking straight duals, with no crossover.
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Heres my answers. All are in caps

How old are you. It is relevant (I'M 25. had my car for only a year)

Do you want to......

Have a nice mellow tone? (PREF MORE OF A DEEP GROWL LIKE THE SUPER 40 FLOWMASTERS)
Do you want a agressive tone at Idle or Wide Open Throttle? (NOT SO MUCH AT IDLE. MORE ON SAY TAKEOFF)
Do you want to wake the dead? (I WANT IT DEEP AND LOUD BUT NOT TO THE MAJOR LOUD WHERE IT WILL WAKE THE DEAD)
Do you want a nice exhaust rumble to be heard inside your car? (AS LONG AS ITS NOT TO ANNOYING. i CAN DEAL WITH A GOOD AMOUNT OF RUMBLE THOUGH)
Do you mind moderate noise in your car or do you want to have to turn up the radio to hear? (SAY IN BETWEEN)
Do you drive on the interstate much where some chambered mufflers drone the most? (I DRIVE MORE IN THE CITY. INTERSTATE IS WHEN I GO TO SAY ORLANDO OR TO TAMPA)
Where do you live? (I LIVE IN CLEARWATER FLORIDA)

AND ANOTEHR QUESTION. I HAVENT LOOKED DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THE CAR AT THE MUFFLER SYSTEM. IS IT WELDED OR EASY TO REPLACE ON MY OWN IF I BOUGHT A NEW ONE?

I'd say get the split personality Warlocks, your responses are so middle
of the road, and you can change your mind how those sound! Also one
muffler (single exhaust) is hard to get what you want probably. I still
say save for duals, you will be happier and when you change the engine
around a bit it will be cheaper in the long run.
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true dual exhuast has no crossover period...

im not talking about "fake" dual exhaust with a Y pipe, becuse rom your theory my stock H pipe with all 4 cats....i sfar from true dual exhaust
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Well Being that you are just exiting the 16 to 25 crowd it is not suprising you do not want to wake the dead and you do not want to much noise inside the car.

In the greater scope of muffler selection here are some basics

Chambered mufflers are louder than most flow thru mufflers do to the fact the chambers or baffles create a drumming effect to produce a deeper tone. But they come at a price of less exhaust flow. But they can sound good. One of the drawbacks is the drone effect common in these mufflers at interstate speed. THe drone is the pulses of the exhaust being slowed down to the point of actually hearing the pulses in the car and these permeate thru the inside of the car. Young kids dont seem to mind usually but as you find most people above 25 do not like this sound. The real test is for you to ride in a car with these types of mufflers and make the determination for yourself. The list of most popular Chambered or Baffled mufflers are

All Flowmasters
Mac Flowpath
Turbo Mufflers
Basanni
Spintech
Holley Warlocks in street mode
VForce
Flowtech


Flow thru mufflers have no baffles and as the name suggest have little or no restriction in the muffler. These have the best flow of any type of muffler. These do not Drone at all. On a V6 these will not be quite as loud as chambered and most people under 25 will not buy them because of this reason. These type will have a nice idle rumble and will sound there best at wide open throttle. The list of flow thru mufflers are

Dynomax Ultraflow
Magnaflow
Borla
Holley Warlocks in track mode
Glass packs Cherry Bombs style mufflers These are the original wake the dead mufflers

So in considering what you are looking for and what you have already said you were looking at I would suggest you look at some other mufflers. Even though they are the most widely used performance mufflers Flowmaster 40's drone worse than most others but 50's are much less droning. Mac Flowpath offer the same level of loudness outside the car with much less droning. If you are going to keep the engine stock I would probably stay with the chambered if sound is most important but if you are going to mod the engine I would definately go with flow thru mufflers.

OK now that I have said that let me clear up some myths if you dont already know about them.

FACT:You will not lose or gain power with any muffler on a stock motor. The whole backpressure loss with high flowing mufflers is pure myth.
FACT: X pipe or H pipes are unnecessary on stock motors
FACT: Long tube headers are a waste on stock motors
FACT:The stock exhaust is not restrictive for a stock motor
FACT: No muffler will give you HP no matter what the advertisement says.
FACT: Dual exhaust is a nice addition for a good sound on the V6. It is also a nice upgrade if you ever decide to mod the motor when you will need the increased exhaust flow

So this will probably be the time when someone under 25 with Flowmaster 40's will come in and cry this is not true but it is true. Truth hurts sometimes. Here is some flow charts to show how restrictive chambered and especially Flowmasters really are

So in a nutshell what would I consider for Chambered mufflers either Mac Flowpath or Dynomax Super Turbo's (were used until 2000 on all Roush cars) now they use Magnaflows. Not only are they a great sound but a great value.

As far a flowthru mufflers if you decide you want them go with what is cheapest because they all perform equally. I would not suggest cherry bomb style unless you want to wake the dead.
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