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Old 04-23-2005, 01:09 PM   #1
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i lost to a honda

hello every body im new here and i just want someone to answer me a simple question. last night I street race a little 1999 honda cive si and i lost.
i have a 2004 auto v6 stock mustang. why did i loose?
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becuz you're stock and he probably wasn't...

what year is your stang? manual or auto?
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what can i do to get some more power with little money ?
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the 99/2000 honda civic SI runs 15.7/15.8 stock
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There are tons of threads like these asking what mods people should do. Intakes are always cheap and have a good hp per dollar ratio . The civic si weighs a lot less than you do and you have an automatic, autos can be made fast but generally it's better to have a manual. Chips and pulleys are good mods in my opinion but the one you'll probably enjoy the most would be a 4.10 lsd. You'll need a chip with it so that you're not top speed limited.
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Your 04 auto v6 runs a mid to low 16 stock. If you want to start putting money in your car I'd go with exhaust/intake/gears/chip first.
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cough**boost**cough
If ya got deep enough pockets go for it. I've put about 400 into performance in my car and I run on the heels of stock gt's now. And I'm happy with it for now I guess.
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as for a 1st mod i dont think turbo or a blower would be so much of a great idea unless he runs low psi
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If you have enough to boost it, you may have enough for a better car. Just get the next step up if you can afford it. You'll probably be happier with a better base. After a while you'll realize your v6 will never be a v8.
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After a while you'll realize your v6 will never be a v8.
exactly..of course with the right amount of $$ you can get your car to beat a stock 99-04 GT but in the long run you could just buy a GT for a fraction of what that would cost you to do
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read this for educational purposes, and to get an idea of where you might like to go

http://mustangevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5654
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i don't really want to be as fast a as V8 i just dont want to loose to little hondas that's all
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Junkyard Swaps man, that is where it is cheap. With a bit of luck, he could find an engine from a Supercoupe or XR7 swap that in change some wired on the Computer.

Hell, I have seen these cars in the JY already, One I know of right now. The SC is gone along with the injectors and IC but the block with the internal forged goodies is still there, along with the computer.

I thought about snagging this stuff earlier but I have no use for the V6 goodies.

If you only count the turbo swap goodies I have about $2000 in my car, that includes the price of the car ($800), the rebuilt 2.3T($900), and all the Misc stuff which I pulled with some time, research, and a sharp eye for what I was looking for.
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i don't really want to be as fast a as V8 i just dont want to loose to little hondas that's all
It really doesn't take that much. Like I say, I have about 4-500 in my car for intake, exhaust, chip, and it makes a world of a difference.
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fast as a v8=not losing to anymore hondas im gonna have to say you will be most pleased by gettin 4.10 gears and a tlok tho, if you do that however keep in mind you will need a chip to correct the speedo
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fast as a v8=not losing to anymore hondas im gonna have to say you will be most pleased by gettin 4.10 gears and a tlok tho, if you do that however keep in mind you will need a chip to correct the speedo
Yeh, I have to say gears make the biggest difference. I just happened across a deal on a chip for my car is the only reason I have a chip w/out having my gears or anything. I have access to some 4.10's...if I can talk my dad into letting me use them ...they're kinda in his truck at the moment, along with a t-lok.
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i don't really want to be as fast a as V8 i just dont want to loose to little hondas that's all
well civic ex, lx im sure you wont really have a problem with right now as you stand but the SI is pretty much an even race with a 99-04 mustang v6 5spd with like the other guys said intake exhaust gears tloc and a chip you should be set to go
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Yeh, I have to say gears make the biggest difference. I just happened across a deal on a chip for my car is the only reason I have a chip w/out having my gears or anything. I have access to some 4.10's...if I can talk my dad into letting me use them ...they're kinda in his truck at the moment, along with a t-lok.
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if i get true dual exhaust, will it make any good improment????
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you'll see better high end torque but you'll notice you lose some down low which is where UDP will take care of that
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sorry i gotta hijack...why are yall saying 4.10 gears? when i think of gears it is 4.10s for 33" tires to give you a better crawl ratio and stuff.

my suggestion is go to a junkyard and find a 5.0 to rebuild. you can get one pretty damn cheap that way....better yet if it will fit a 5.8L.
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sorry i gotta hijack...why are yall saying 4.10 gears? when i think of gears it is 4.10s for 33" tires to give you a better crawl ratio and stuff.

my suggestion is go to a junkyard and find a 5.0 to rebuild. you can get one pretty damn cheap that way....better yet if it will fit a 5.8L.
B/c 4.10 gears give you a better launch and are just a better overall ratio for the v6 to combat against the small engine syndrome.
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^ true for automatic ..3.73 usually for 5spd
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dual exhaust + intake = 400-500 dollars...
chip+gears+tlok+install=1000 dollars...

if you get all of it you will have approximately 15-15.5 second car... if you get just the exhaust and intake.. it will probably be low 16s... if you get the gears and stuff you will get around high 15s...

...nitrous could get you into the 15s too... and its less than a grand...
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your v6 runs a couple tenths slower than that civic stock for stock... how bad did you loose? Mustang autos just plain SUCK until you dump alot of money into em.
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your v6 runs a couple tenths slower than that civic stock for stock... how bad did you loose? Mustang autos just plain SUCK until you dump alot of money into em.
the 99/00 si runs high 15s which is 5spd v6 stang his stang is auto so hes low-mid 16s
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99-04s run 16.2s on average... but that all depends on alt, weather, driver experience, crap like that but on averaget 16.2s and manuals run 15.5-15.9~ also depending on ^ thats just average of course.... you can go up higher in alt and run over a second slower lol
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ever heard of the motto someones always gonna be faster then you?

What happens you do some mods and you get beat by another civic driver..your gonna want to put more mods in to it. It'll get expensive real quick with out you realizing :yup:

My opinion best bang for the buck goes as follow 4.10 gears+Tlok, High stall converter and nitrous.
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There will always be a honda out there that can beat you, but that's no reason to stop modding.
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if it werent for the fact that their a stupid *** neon. their actually worthwhile cars. Then again when you work for a Mopar company tend to get biased esp when you get to drive one practially everyday
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Srt-4, it's fast...but still gay looking as ever.
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a civic Si with intake, headers, exhaust *could* run a low 15 at the track, but these cars shine when theyre going from a roll. hondas are well known for being great freeway racers because of their top end pull. i raced a turbo LS integra last night on the freeway and it was dead even till the end of 4th and i finally started to just pull on him hard because he was already in 5th and running out of gearing.

you are a stock automatic v6. your mod list should go as follows
4.1 rear end with t-loc
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that should get you down into low 15's and possibly 14's if you can launch. i forgot if youre a 99-04 or a 94-98, if youre a 99-04 the splitport will really help in times over the singleport 94-98 v6. also like a few other 6ers have done is a little nitrous, a 75 shot will greatly help a n/a v6 achieve some respectable times.
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... I smell BS =p post pics of your car with MustangEvolution papers somewhere's in each picture


I dunno in the past first-posts like these were always trolls trying to start crap..


I'm just wary is all..

PS a civic SI should beat a stock v6 automatic mustang, if it doesn't the driver really sucks
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