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Old 07-24-2009, 07:59 PM   #1
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3.8L to 4.6L swap VS 3.8L w/mods

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I have a '01 3.8L auto. I have been looking around and kind of researching an engine swap to a 4.6L but I'm noticing that it's not quite budget friendly. I know that if I add some modifications to the 3.8L it can blow away a 4.6L. The main reason why I wanted to do the swap is so I can learn how to do it and more about working on the vehicle but that's not quite worth the money to me. So I'm thinking about modifying my engine but Idk what would be the best and most cost efficient options for me. I am also worried how the exhaust will sound. I don't want it to sound like a D-series Honda with a fart can. Please help!
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With the money it'l take to build the 3.8 to run with a 4.6, you could just do the swap and get the nice tone to boot. If you're wanting to mod your v6, start with this list:

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Do you also know of a list of everything I would need to swap my tranny to a manual?
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Hanging with a GT and blowing one away are two different things.
The pre 99 GT's are much slower than the 99+ GT's. The 94-95 5.0's and 96-97 4.6L's were rated at 215 hp, and the 98 4.6L's were rated at 225hp. They did have pretty high torque no's though.

Full bolt ons, some suspension components and a good tune could have you hanging with them.

The 99+ GT's were quicker, rated at 260 hp and 302 tq. I would say you need full bolt ons and either some serious engine building or a power adder to hang/beat one, especially a 5spd.
In comparison to other mustangs and cars they are slow, but to 3.8's their torque curve and larger displacement does make a difference. Plus all GT's came with the 8.8 inch rear with tlok, so gears/tlok in the v6 is a must.
It's not impossible, but it does take some serious time/money for a v6 to reach that high.

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As far as exhaust, trying to get one to sound like a v8 is just going to end up with significant disappointment. The 3.8 is an even firing engine, so no v8 burble, ever. No matter what you do, it will get high pitched around and above 3000 rpms.
However many people do exhaust and are satisfied with the sound/tone because they know what to expect from a v6. Many on here prefer different brands and setups -longtubes, x-pipes, true duals, dumps, side exhaust, flowmaster, pypes, borla etc. etc. They can sound nice at idle and in the lower rpms, I have the pypes setup, and the idle is great, it's quiet, but deep.

Listen to some clips online, try to hear some in person, that's the best way, and make your decision that way...and that's if you decide to keep the 3.8 engine and not swap it.
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You're going to need the transmission first of all, t5, t45, 3650, but I wouldn't go with a t56, personally. You'll need the whole clutch assembly (pressure plate, throw out bearing, pilot bearing, clutch, flywheel, pedal etc) and lots of patience unless you get it professionally done, then it'l run into some money.
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dont swap a motor into your car unless you are extremly attached to your car, sell it and buy something else (hey just trying to save you money now and money later)

the 3.8 can be stroked to a 4.2 and push 250rwhp pretty easy (ported heads/intakes/cam etc)

vs a 4.6l which has more potential but it all depends on which year you go with as 96-98s are dogs, 99-04s are modest
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I know that if I add some modifications to the 3.8L it can blow away a 4.6L. !
Some modifications will not get you even close to a 4.6. A **** ton of modifications and a ton of money will get you close to a 4.6. Stock anyway.
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A **** ton of mods and **** ton of money on a 3.8 will get you 660RWHP as per GTEaters car (dyno below) and still weigh less than a stock GT which only makes 260 Crank HP as per 04 GT. So with over twice the HP and less weight Upton states you might be able to hang with the GT. More interesting another car with ported H/C/I Makes 240 Rwhp (Dyno also below). Giving the Gt looses at least more than the 20 HP from crank to rear wheels along with lower weight should be able to hang with equal drivers BEAT a GT.So while the Gt may have more potential. It is not as hard as they make it sound to match or beat a stock GT. Dyno charts taken from V6Power.net
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Ah, the never ending debate. If you want to keep up with/out run a gt, throw an eaton m112 on it and call it a day.
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Personaly im planing H/C/I/R/4.2/m112 and possably a zex blackout kit.
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Ah, the never ending debate. If you want to keep up with/out run a gt, throw an eaton m112 on it and call it a day.
Yah, but the m112 isn't the most efficient supercharger out there...they are sweet, but require a new hood, adapter plate that costs $900, and the supercharger itself just isn't that great. It's definitely an option, but he'd probably be better off with a centri-style procharger or a turbo, something that doesn't involve rearranging the universe to put on...if he plans on keeping the 3.8 and not stroking it to a 4.2 or something.
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but roots will give boost much lower then centri or a turbo. I'm going with it because all i want is a lil over 400 hp and I love the roots look.
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A **** ton of mods and **** ton of money on a 3.8 will get you 660RWHP as per GTEaters car (dyno below) and still weigh less than a stock GT which only makes 260 Crank HP as per 04 GT. So with over twice the HP and less weight Upton states you might be able to hang with the GT. More interesting another car with ported H/C/I Makes 240 Rwhp (Dyno also below). Giving the Gt looses at least more than the 20 HP from crank to rear wheels along with lower weight should be able to hang with equal drivers BEAT a GT.So while the Gt may have more potential. It is not as hard as they make it sound to match or beat a stock GT. Dyno charts taken from V6Power.net
To get a 3.8 to 660 hp like u said you will spend enough to go ahead and buy a gt and make it have even more hp.
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To get a 3.8 to 660 hp like u said you will spend enough to go ahead and buy a gt and make it have even more hp.
While this is true, my point is it can be done. You could also go out and buy a GT500 and have more potential rather than waste ur money on a gt. You could even buy a GT500 Super Snake and have 750Hp to start with. But theres that pride you get from saying "I BUILT THIS" that you just cant go out and buy. Then theres that special feeling you get when you smoke someones *** and they find out they got there *** handed to them by a V6.
Once I'm done with this V6 my next car will be a 2014 Gt 50th and probably keep it stock and the 6 will be my toy.
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i went and bought a gt and i'm building a motor for it i'd just rather have a v8 i don't care if its a gt cobra super duper cobra or whatever as long as its got a v8 i don't care which one money goes alot further with a v8
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Throwing money into a V8, what a waste!!! You shoulda got a V16 or at least a V12 Way more potential. Money goes alot farther with a real engine.
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To get a 3.8 to 660 hp like u said you will spend enough to go ahead and buy a gt and make it have even more hp.
Actually, if you are smart about it, you can do the sixer up to that hp level for the less cost than swapping in a 4.6L made to put down those hp numbers.
But I understand there are those who just can't deal with not having a V8.
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i'm talking about just getting a car with a v8 already in it. That way is cheaper. I had a v6 then bought a v8 and am spending less on payments same on gas a lil more on insurance. And i didn't have to spend any extra money. And buying a v16 or a v12 wouldn't be a good idea there would be way to many modifications to the car and the engine alone would cost to much.
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How are you spending less on payments for a v6 than a v8? maybe a used v8 compaired to a new v6. The gas thing is all in your head, I'm getting 26-29 MPG in the real world let me see a GT get that. So that kills your in the real world they get the same milage theory. I was going to get a GT when i got my truck in 04, they where both the same price but the insurance was 3 times as much. More than the car payment actualy. I've heard someone already swapped in a 6 ltr V12 from an aston martin. Everyone cliamed it was twice as ricey. Which is funny because V6s sound like V6s not I4s, You would have as much luck making a V6 sound like a I4 as you would making it sound like a V8. In my opinion they sound like british cars, while I4s sound like weedwackers.
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I payed 150 a month for a 01 v6 and i pay 145 a month for a v8 and my gas mileage is about the same beacause i went from a 3 speed with 4th gear overdrive to a 4 speed with a 5th gear overdrive.
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Yeah autos suck you should get that fixxed.
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I payed 150 a month for a 01 v6 and i pay 145 a month for a v8 .
That insurance? and either way HOW? I'm paying 460 a month car payment on my fusion. My ranger was 380 a month. 250 a month insurance on fusion,mustang,bike combined. My rangers insurance was 120 a month and they quoted me 400 a month for an 04 GT.
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thats car payments. and my car is not an auto
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Where are you buying your cars? Cuz hell for that cheap ill sell the fusion and get me 2 GTs and another fusion.
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its not about anything other than the end results you want for the car, once you figure that out then you figure out the best most economical way to go about it. Some may want the end results to stay v6, some only care about XXXhp/tq or XX time at the strip~ it all depends greatly on what you want in the end.

I remember back when I owned my 01 v6, I was hated on while posting on nearly ANY forum with the usual "buy a v8 v6s are slow" by those who had NO clue what v6's could really do...

Its fun to be different but just realize that its not as easy to make a v6 fast but its more rare when you get there.

I came to the realization that I wanted an 03/04 cobra and NOTHING else would make me happy so I stopped modding my 01 and after 5 years of saving got my 03 cobra. Some love their v6 and never want to part with it, if thats the case then mod it

I will only tell you to buy a GT instead of mod the V6 if you just want to reach some goal and it doesnt matter what engine you have.
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I know my goal, to make a V6 mustang whup my cousins curently N/A supras ***. Hes got 25 hp over 20 Tq under Stock VS Stock. Has to be a 6cyl Vs 6Cyl so he cant whine about needing a V8. Hes going to stroke his with forged intenals and turbo it. Im gonna Stroke mine to 4.2-4.3 and SC it.
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you shouldnt have to much trouble, na supras are quite slow
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Heavy, too.
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dont swap a motor into your car unless you are extremly attached to your car, sell it and buy something else (hey just trying to save you money now and money later)

the 3.8 can be stroked to a 4.2 and push 250rwhp pretty easy (ported heads/intakes/cam etc)

vs a 4.6l which has more potential but it all depends on which year you go with as 96-98s are dogs, 99-04s are modest
not sure if im right on this but from what I have read it seems the difference between the 96 thur 98 are they dident have pi heads the small ports on the 96 thur 98 held them back so if you swaped the heads and intake to pi you should have 260 hp on a stock motor am I right?
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no this is about a v6 that was on the v8s
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no i know that but spector said the 96 thur 98 gts where dogs so I was just chimming in on that..
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My bad. You were right i didn't read the quote.
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no i know that but spector said the 96 thur 98 gts where dogs so I was just chimming in on that..
I'm sure he was comparing them in stock form. A few quick sensible mods to a 96-98 GT and you'll be right up there with a 99-04 GT easily. But in stock form they are dogs, especially autos...looking at your sig, you're far from it
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Re: 3.8L to 4.6L swap VS 3.8L w/mods

just trying to verify my readings from last night , I am going to be taking mine to Anderson soon for a dyno run want to see whats she making...
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