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Old 05-14-2005, 05:06 PM   #1
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Heads and Cam!!!!

OKay, since I'm going to need to replace my heads because for some reason they're *****g cracked, I'm going to go with RPM-Mustangs and get a cam/rockers while I'm at it. Figure I might as well do it now since I plan on it in the future.

For my heads I'm going to get a set of 94-98 Max Efforts with stock valves and .545 lift springs. Full machinework package for $250.

Then my cam I think I will go with a 208*/208*/110 LCA but that's only me trying to match it to my springs. Finally a set of 1.73 RR's to set it off. I don't know much about cams and I could use some help trying to figure out what I'm gonna want. I don't wanna call them yet because I'm still getting the loan. I also am going to get the complete top-end swap kit.

I plan on turbo-ing in like 6 years minimum so for now I'm going with a N/A setup. Currently I have a custom X-pipe with 2 cats, shorty headers, 2.5" MAC Duals, Underdrive pulleys, an SCT Chip, CAI, Self-ported upper and lower intakes, J-modded Tranny, and 3.73 w/Tlock.

Will I need to send my chip back for reburn? Advanced timing okay to run on a N/A engine right? Should I get a dyno-tune to be safe?

Also, what should my 7.5 be good for?

I know I can send pushrods back if I don't need them but do I need ANYTHING else to do this thing. New T-stat, MAS, Injectors, and Pump?? Anything??

I don't have much money to work with so I'm trying to keep expenses down as much as I can, but I'm not sparing anything that can be done.
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Old 05-14-2005, 05:25 PM   #2
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your 7.5 should be fine unless youre gonna be running slicks or DR's on it at a track... for street purposes you should be ok. As for the chip, yeah get it reburnt so you can take advantage of your better airflow and what not... as for the other stuff, i dont know.
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Thanks for the info you could give.
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its a direct bolt on so the swap kit should be good. i can't remember if it included new head bolts but you will definetely need those. you can get OEM ones from RPM or put outl about $120 and get the ARP head studs which will last a lot longer than the stock replacements.
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its a direct bolt on so the swap kit should be good. i can't remember if it included new head bolts but you will definetely need those. you can get OEM ones from RPM or put outl about $120 and get the ARP head studs which will last a lot longer than the stock replacements.
Actually OEM/ Fel-pro Headbolts are fine for most applications unless you are going High boost
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Actually OEM/ Fel-pro Headbolts are fine for most applications unless you are going High boost

Good to know and cost-effective.
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so wait..what does this package cost?
heads-cam.. also what would a heads-cam-intakes cost?
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Well I can't find any packages on RPM right now but I know they had em before they changed their site. Heads are gonna cost me 880, then the topend kit is 215, cam is 180, and rr's are 275.....
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that will be amazing.. im looking towards doing a similar set up this summer.. what kind of numbers do you expect after this??
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Im putting down around 160 rwhp now so I hope for atleast 220-260 rwhp. We will see. :dunno:
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haha. you have to be soo excited.. im def. going heads/cam/intakes or stroker 4.2L this summer-- kiljosh did you look into the stroker 4.2.... ? what kept you from doing the swap?
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The only reason I am even doing this is because my current heads are cracked. I need new ones so I thought, this is the best time to do it. I also figured, I'm doing heads, might as well cam so I'm doing that as well.

The only thing is there are install fees and gasket kits and other little stuff that you don't count in till later. I am getting a loan out to do this basically.

I am interested in the 4.2 as thats my next step after I do this.
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Im putting down around 160 rwhp now so I hope for atleast 220-260 rwhp. We will see. :dunno:
probably more like 190 maybe 200
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probably more like 190 maybe 200
You will not hit 260RWHP in a 3.8 motor N/A Now with a 4.2 crank kit a little closer. I also am still very puzzled by your claimed 160RWHP considering almost all 94-98 start at 100 to 115 RWHP auto and 120-125 Manual I dont see 160 out of the mods you have and you dont have a cam or heads done. I put on my stage 3 upper and lower with stock heads and picked up a whopping 12 hp. The heads are the biggest bottle neck in the 94-98 motor. With head and cam I have picked up 80 hp alread and I will see what I gained soon with my BV heads I recently put on.
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Im putting down around 160 rwhp now so I hope for atleast 220-260 rwhp. We will see. :dunno:
How are you putting 160 to the wheels?
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I dunno, it was an estimation. Obviously I'm wrong. Jeez you guys freak the **** out if someone is wrong.
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sorry kiljosh when i asked i didnt know that your guess would be debated in such a way
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sorry kiljosh when i asked i didnt know that your guess would be debated in such a way
Don't sweat it ,it just that other people read these post too and we wouldn't want them to get misinformed .
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I dunno, it was an estimation. Obviously I'm wrong. Jeez you guys freak the **** out if someone is wrong.
Because the estimation is off by a ton and others will look at your mods that view this thread and then believe they have 160rwhp as well.
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I dunno, it was an estimation. Obviously I'm wrong. Jeez you guys freak the **** out if someone is wrong.
Not really a hammer on you but rather a correction in your estimation. We have to uphold a level of accuracy when we make gained HP on certain mods if we dont we are no better than goobers usinmg ricer math. The next thing you know people will be spouting off those same numbers
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i understand.. now that everyone on this forum has corrected him... please inform us all with proper numbers.. and proper numbers for a stock 99+
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i understand.. now that everyone on this forum has corrected him... please inform us all with proper numbers.. and proper numbers for a stock 99+
Around 150RWHP 99+ auto
165 -170RWHP 99+5 speed
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Around 150RWHP 99+ auto
thats awesome........that means that w/ intake, pulley, and a "modified" single exhaust, i gained 26rwhp, and thats after the SAE correction. (before it would be 33rwhp)
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Wait, that doesn't make any sense...

04stangs sig says DYNOJET SAE- 176RWHP 216RWTQ with 3 basic mods and you say Around 150RWHP 99+ auto after a H/C/I swap??? 2:
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Wait, that doesn't make any sense...

04stangs sig says DYNOJET SAE- 176RWHP 216RWTQ with 3 basic mods and you say Around 150RWHP 99+ auto after a H/C/I swap??? 2:
No he is talking stock numbers

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175/216 with boltons through an auto...the hp I could believe but that torque I do not.
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All depends on how the car was dyno'd.

To properly get numbers from an auto you need to keep it in 3rd & lock the convertor.
This can only be done by changing some settings in the EEC.

That is why auto numbers vary so much.
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From what Ive seen in alot of pre-99 V6 mustangs is around 130-140rwhp with boltons but a but load of torque 180-210rwtq (208.9) in my case. Now just to give you guys an idea of what to expect outta a H/C/I, well I got 22rwhp (went from 140 to 162) and that with BV heads even. Now here is the twist... I had a stock throttlebody on and a very restrictive exhaust that was choking my car up badly. See when you get into these bigger mods every little thing counts. Now that I have upgraded the Tb and exhaust the difference felt is even much greater than when I did the h/c/i. Now.
I know I told you guys that I was getting dynoed last wed but the new place I wanted to run at charged more then my budget could handle. So I decided to wait a little longer so that way I could go up there and get more done like a good a/f read and possibly a bit of tuning. I'll let yall know when I do go for sure though.
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175/216 with boltons through an auto...the hp I could believe but that torque I do not.
well, i am sorry that you dont believe me. i dont know what i have to do to prove these numbers. i have done pretty much everything but videotape the dyno pull and show results (b/c i didnt have the camera w/ me).

from what i saw he did the four pulls like this:
got the car up to approx 3k rpms in 3rd gear
some way he managed to lean on the gas w/o it downshifting into 2nd when the pull started. i dont know if he altered the ecu before i walked back there b/c he told me to stay up front while he strapped the car down and i dont know if he did anything else. i didnt see him alter the ecu after the pulls but he might have changed it back when i was in this little office-like room where he showed me the results and printed them out.

whatever he did, it produced these results all 4 times. and i am pretty sure he knows how to dyno cars. the shop i went to dynoes many cars (mainly v8 camaros and trans-ams) but they are both autos and manuals.
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Argh thurr must beee pirates in dee water cause this threads been HIJACKED

Well not really, just ran a little off...
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