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Old 09-25-2005, 09:27 PM   #1
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Supercharged 6?

I've decided to take the plunge and spend the money on a supercharger set up.....how many of you have gone this route? I saw a testimonial about a guy who was runnin mid 13's with just the supercharger (keeping in mind i will have an intake and exhaust system) does this sound right? And finally what risk do i run of breakin other parts.....because this is a daily driver.
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Re: Supercharged 6?

As long as you have it tuned correctly and you aren't pushing too many psi you will be fine and you'll have one fast v6.
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Re: Supercharged 6?

superchargers are much more reliable than turbos. And it seems like there are a lot more supercharged sixes around now than when I got in this game. There's plenty of help out there if you need it.
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Re: Supercharged 6?

what set up are you looking at for a sc?
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Re: Supercharged 6?

Turbo makes more power.

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Re: Supercharged 6?

Exactly. Andy'l hook u up!
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Re: Supercharged 6?

Tubo's make more power, more efficiently. Bar none.

They also are easier to change boost levels on. Instead of having to swap pulleys for a higher boost on SC's, all you need on a turbo is a spring for your waste gate or get a boost controller.

Turbo kit from TMA should only be a couple hundred more after all is said and done. And I bet you will be happier.
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Re: Supercharged 6?

But I heard a lot of people say how risky and unreliable a turbo set up is, i know that they give more power, but at what cost. I cant afford to put in a system and then every other week have to fix something else. I found a supercharger set up from vortech which i think is a pretty good one. I also heard someone in another forum suggest gettin a used one for cheaper...anybody know where I could go for that besides ebay?
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Re: Supercharged 6?

Turbo is just as good as a supercharger. Andy's kits are the best. You'll me making more power on less boost.
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Re: Supercharged 6?

if you go with a supercharger i would go with procharger. they have intercooled superchargers that will produce more psi and will produce more hp than a non-intercooled car. for instance if you have 11 psi of intercooled air compared to 11psi of non-intercooled air the intercooled air is going to make more hp because of the density of the air. turbos are pretty good too especially tma because they are made espeically for the mustang but they definetly need to be dyno tuned and a flash tuner is just not the way to go with any turbo.
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Re: Supercharged 6?

i would just go with a procharger 11psi intercooled, a good tune, bigger fuel injectors and a bigger fuel pump and you should be good to go!
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Re: Supercharged 6?

if you have an automatic a supercharger with exhaust/intake will most definatly not run 13s after its done. Its not hard to do but will take a little more than that. Wtih a manual and a good driven car (along with 11 psi) it is possible, but I would still look for more mods to make sure.
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Re: Supercharged 6?

get some gears and a t-lok, along with with the H/C/I swap and a good tune and you could eaisly get to the low to mid 14's with an automatic and probabaly high 13's with a manual. this spring i'm giong procharged with a smaller pulley and dynotuned with new fuel injectors, fuel pump, and a new maf and new headers, and i should be able to get to the mid to high 12's, thats pulling about 14psi with a 3 core intercooler.
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Re: Supercharged 6?

Still noone has answered his question about reliability.

Look at it this way. You play video games? You know what a multiplier is? Turbo/Superchargers act like multipliers. Yea, they increase the horsepower you put out to the wheel.s But BOTH also tend to magnify small problems.

Say you have a small oil/coolant leak somewhere. Not quite a completely blown out gasket yet, but getting there. Add boost to the equation, regardless of how it is being produced, and you will end up ****ing your car up.

I am just saying in order for anyone to run boost you have to keep your car in good working condition. If you neglect it, it will fall apart. Take care of it and it will last just as long as a stock motor.

I don't think either is safer than the other. It's all in your tune and driving habits. Hell, most of the time when doing normal driving you won't even be really heavy into the boost. Now when you floor it and you hear that thing spool it's a different story!!
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Re: Supercharged 6?

pre 99s with a blower only wont do 13s also... much slower.
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Old 09-27-2005, 04:03 PM   #16
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Re: Supercharged 6?

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Turbo makes more power.

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Oh really , 487RWHP on a supercharger
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Re: Supercharged 6?

If you drive your car hard at the track or on the road you always have a chance of some kind of failure.
It's part of the game.
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Re: Supercharged 6?

haha, listen to gary, he knows what he's talking about
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Re: Supercharged 6?

if you really want to put out big numbers might even want to go as far as looking into upgrading into a 4.2L block and THEN supercharging it. that is of course if money isnt a problem.
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Re: Supercharged 6?

NO MATTER how hard you try or what you do moding brings issues and hassels.... and some times ALOT OF THEM one major way to help avoid them is to ALWAYS do something RIGHT the FIRST time around. Dont go the cheap way, do it right and save money ( usually do when you do it right )
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Re: Supercharged 6?

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Oh really , 487RWHP on a supercharger
How much boost? Cuase Andy has cars doing that much under 10psi.
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Re: Supercharged 6?

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How much boost? Cuase Andy has cars doing that much under 10psi.
There is no way...a fully built 4.2 engine will give you maybe 280-290 at the wheels. 10 psi of boost...no way you can add 200 hp with 10 psi of boost.
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Re: Supercharged 6?

He had some V6 at 281 RWHP that was beating an WRX or something. I dunno. I haven't had any sleep.
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How much boost? Cuase Andy has cars doing that much under 10psi.
11 PSI , Really I havn't seen anything close to 400RWHP from Andy .Maybe you can show me some examples . Justin ,Matt ,and Dan Haga are the only turbo cars I know of over 400rwhp .Matt runs 27 Psi I believe ,Dan will be running big boost 25+ and Justin was runnig about 17 Psi I believe .
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true, Andy has gotten a car to 350, check his site.
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Turbo boost is different from s/c boost too.
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Boost is boost the only difference is how it's made.
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Is it true that a supercharger doesnt hit full boost until redline and a turbo can make boost faster than at redline?
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Re: Supercharged 6?

^ i've heard that too about not getting full boost till redline. However i think the sc makes boost all throughout the RPM range but it doesn't reach the peak until redline i think is what that means.
It's spinning the hell out of the crankshaft since it's hooked up to the pulley system, so it has to be making power the whole time, right?:dunno: which is faster making boost? i don't know.
but what the hell either way of FI allows more volumetric efficiency so i can't take sides which is better.
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As long as you have your set up ,engine ,cam ,gearing ,set up for the super charger it can make boost really fast. Now a stock engine without the internals to rev and intakes and heads to flow the air yeah it's going to suck.
Don't get me wrong I think turbos are sweet and if you have everything set up for it it's bad *** ,problem MOST people buying Andy's turbos are neither forged or properly set up ,so they can only run 4.4 psi or 10 psi .I would love to see someone drop a forged stroker in and put a really nice turbo on there
no telling what kind of power it would make .
Dan Haga has a nice set up from Andy and Dan has a serious Turbo ,as soon as he gets it tuned properly it should make some really nice numbers
and he has the internals and the tranny to support the power.
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Re: Supercharged 6?

Don't worry man, all in time. I plan to have a 4.2 forged bottom end and a kit from Andy in 2 years!!

So if no one does it till then we will see what kind of numbers it will make.
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Boost is boost the only difference is how it's made.
S/C is parasitic. Takes power to make power, you size the turbo right and you'll have no lag what-so-ever. So with my comment about turbo boost is better, I mean 10-psi with a turbo makes more power than 10-psi with a s/c.
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Thats very true ,I was just saying overall if you set the engine up for a supercharger ,it can make good power even with the parasitic loss. I had only
11psi of boost and made 434 RWHP without the 50 shot of nitrous I havn't seen a turbo system do that yet ,this was also a non -intercooled set up
and a stock bore 3.8.
My point was really if you want the big numbers set the engine up first to handle it then throw the power adder of your choice at it .LOL I may go turbo one day down the road ,right now I think I can make plenty power with the T-Trim .
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Re: Supercharged 6?

Turbo will be a drag on the engine as well, since the exhaust got to push the impeller around.
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Yea, there's an increase in backpressure but you can correct that.
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