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Old 05-28-2006, 09:39 AM   #1
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First track times with the turbo

Well, I finally got Stella turbo charged *** to the track tonight. I went to Old Dominion Drag way, which is the lowest quality track in my area. But it was the closest track and I was desperate for some track time. This is a 1/8 track so please keep that in mind.

First impressions: Spin City!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I need to learn how to launch all over again! Launching NA took a day to master, then launching with juice took 3 track visits to master, now I have to do it all over again with this turbo.

Here are the results, minus one time slip because of a printer malfunction. Royally pissed me off!!!!! Well, here you go:

1ST Run

• RT: .634
• 60: 2.29
• 1/8: 8.81
• MPH: 83.5

On the first run, I took it easy and launched at 1K RPM.

2ND Run

• RT: 1.178
• 60: 2.28
• 1/8: 8.76
• MPH: 83.9

Launched at around 1.2K RPM on this one.

3RD Run

• RT: .373
• 60: 2.37
• 1/8: 8.83
• MPH: 83.7

On this one, I launched at 1.5K RPM.

4TH Run

• RT: 1.043
• 60: 2.39
• 1/8: 8.84
• MPH: 84.0

I was hoping for better my first time out, but I remember how terrible my times were my first time out on the juice. I’m just going to have to work at it. Now, according to some people standing along the fence, there was a 8.5 that I ripped off, but that was when the printer malfunctioned so it doesn’t count because I have no slip.

I am still very happy with the turbo. Even with my terrible launches, I am still ripping off what looks like mid 13 second runs. I also didn’t heat up my Nittos which I should have done. And I was lazy tonight, I had a full bottle of nitrous in the trunk, the spare tire and my work laptop bag.

But now I have a base line, I will probably hit the 1/4 track the weekend of June 3. So there you have it, first time out. Of course I will scan my slips tomorrow and post them.

EDIT: Here are some slips:

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Re: First track times with the turbo

pretty nice... and lol @ you smoking those civics, i bet they were pissed

next do some suspension mods and see how it handles a road course
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Nice, it takes practice and also where you are messes with your times as far as weather and alt. along with other factors, even how good the track is setup~
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pretty nice... and lol @ you smoking those civics, i bet they were ****ed

next do some suspension mods and see how it handles a road course
They actually were all over the car in the staging lanes, they loved the idea of a turbod six. Go figure.

Yea, I'm researching road courses now actually.
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Get those Nitto's nice and hot. Those things you have to smoke to get them to hook.

I like the Merauder comment on the time slip, and that you actually wrote "LOL"
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Get those Nitto's nice and hot. Those things you have to smoke to get them to hook.

I like the Merauder comment on the time slip, and that you actually wrote "LOL"

Thanks man. Everyone tells me I have to get the Nittos nice and hot.

The Marauder was sick!!! It was upgraded up the ***!!!! It had a license plate that said "Goes 12s". It was sweet. What a sleeper. Don't want to mess with that car. A boat that does 12's is insane.
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Re: First track times with the turbo

i like the civic that went 14 in the 1/8 mile lol.
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Very nice times.

Makes me realize how much I have to fine tune my track driving.
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2ND Run

• RT: 1.178
• 60: 2.28
• 1/8: 8.76
• MPH: 83.9

Launched at around 1.2K RPM on this one.
That would make you running this in the 1/4 mile...

~ 13.67 @ 103 - 104 MPH.

Nice times

You've got a sub-14 sec car there for sure, as-is.
The projected MPH in the 1/4 indicates very low 13 sec. potential.
Technically it's possible to get a 13.000 @ 100.00 MPH w/perfect traction.
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That would make you running this in the 1/4 mile...

~ 13.67 @ 103 - 104 MPH.

Nice times

You've got a sub-14 sec car there for sure, as-is.
The projected MPH in the 1/4 indicates very low 13 sec. potential.
Technically it's possible to get a 13.000 @ 100.00 MPH w/perfect traction.
Thanks man. I'm shooting for 12.8 or 12.9. I think I can do it with DR's.
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Thanks man. I'm shooting for 12.8 or 12.9. I think I can do it with DR's.
The time I calculated is pretty close, the MPH could be a tiny bit high,
I used a formula for the times but guessed at the MPH. I'd say you are
gonna hit at least 100 MPH in the 1/4.

Awesome looking ride, Rygen! I like it LOTS! V6's look so much better than GT's
cuz they don't have the big ugly fogs in the grille. :shudder:
If you can get a set of head/intake cores I would port them for you free as an
R&D thingy for the masses. I'd also post instructions on good basic porting.
I've had 4.0 V6 info for years now, and it's kewl for Mustang owners
Heck, I had a 60* Ford V6 book before I started porting on the 90* engines!
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That would make you running something like this in the 1/4 mile...

~ 13.67 @ 103 - 104 MPH.
Here's a neat formula I found thanks to BBunt302:

Elapsed Time X MPH = 1335

Examples:
13.35 x 100.00 MPH = 1335
12.00 X 111.25 MPH = 1335
If the factor is more than 1335, add more rear gear.
If the factor is less than 1335, reduce rear gear


Your projected 13.67 @ 103 = 1408.01 so according to that you need
more gear. But I'd wait and see what it actually is once you get it all
running good and hooking up. Seems close enough that you'd only need
to step up one gear ratio set, like 3.27 to 3.55 but there is another option:
Just up the boost instead Then the gearing will be right on

If you got 3.27 gears now it calls for 3.45's to make it equal 1335.
3.45's are available for the 7.5" guys, does the new V6 have that rear end?


What boost level are you running now? What do you plan on running?
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Here's a neat formula I found thanks to BBunt302:

Elapsed Time X MPH = 1335

Examples:
13.35 x 100.00 MPH = 1335
12.00 X 111.25 MPH = 1335
If the factor is more than 1335, add more rear gear.
If the factor is less than 1335, reduce rear gear


Your projected 13.67 @ 103 = 1408.01 so according to that you need
more gear. But I'd wait and see what it actually is once you get it all
running good and hooking up. Seems close enough that you'd only need
to step up one gear ratio set, like 3.27 to 3.55 but there is another option:
Just up the boost instead Then the gearing will be right on

If you got 3.27 gears now it calls for 3.45's to make it equal 1335.
3.45's are available for the 7.5" guys, does the new V6 have that rear end?


What boost level are you running now? What do you plan on running?

Thanks!!!

I'm running 8.5lbs of boost and plan to stick with it this season. I'm running 3.73's and that time was on street tires. I'm looking into some MT's DR's for this track season. I've also toyed with getting a 8.8 rear which will be back to stock gearing. I'm also going to be working on the shift schedule while at the track.

Next steps would be additional cooling, perhaps meth since I'm not sure if converting the N20 to a intercooler mist kit is worth it. Also will eventually look into going to 9.5-10lbs of boost. But that is the max I plan to go on motor alone.
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work out the kinks before you up the boost so you dont waste your time and putting extra abuse on the motor if you dont have to.
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work out the kinks before you up the boost so you dont waste your time and putting extra abuse on the motor if you dont have to.
Also, work out the kinks before you change gearing too. Then you will have a
good idea of what to do to the gears and such. Especially do what SpecV said,
my machinist here is one of teh best Ford guys in the country, and in his opinion
the 4.0 is a boat anchor comapred to a 3.8 as far as reliability is concerned. The
bottom end is not nearly as strong, he's seen lots of odd failures. Way more than
3.8's ever had, if I am understanding him correctly.
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Also, work out the kinks before you change gearing too. Then you will have a
good idea of what to do to the gears and such. Especially do what SpecV said,
my machinist here is one of teh best Ford guys in the country, and in his opinion
the 4.0 is a boat anchor comapred to a 3.8 as far as reliability is concerned. The
bottom end is not nearly as strong, he's seen lots of odd failures. Way more than 3.8's ever had, if I am understanding him correctly.

Will do.

That is unfortunate about the bottom end of the 4.0. I knew the pistions and ring landings were issues, but did he go into specifics? It iwll be good information for those of us going built motors.
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I'll see him Saturday, I'll try and remember the Q
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I can remember the Q. remembering to ask is the hard part
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Thanks man! Appreciate all your input.
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the only bad thing I can think of with the 4.0L is that its been about taken to its limit by Ford as far as displacement etc. Not a lot of room left for boring, stroking, etc. This engine has however performed very well for a long time as a truck engine and explorer engine, with no big problems that I am aware of. I personally didn 't like the 3.8, and its just about a direct copy of the GM Buick 3.8 who Ford is supposed to have stolen it from.
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BBO, Rick, BOO.

The 3.8 is similar to the gm stuff but is still a better engine in many ways
than the 4.0 is, mostly due to the overall design and quality of materials
used in the parts, i.e. better crank strength, bearing materials/design, etc.
Many of the 4.0 deficiencies can be fixed by aftermarket parts but a stronger
crank is gonna be quite costly. Over 2K for a good aftermarket stroker crank
and that is only if someone steps up and builds one for us. Ford also made
the Essex V6 better than a gm V6 in many ways, better cam gearing setup
and taller deck block, and our V6 allows more stroke on an OEM block than
the gm boys can use in the buick Stage II? blocks (or whatever) can use.

I like 3.8 AND 4.0's but I'd have rather seen Ford continue to upgrade the
3.8 for us instead of switch altogether. At least when the Mustang gets a
V6 (next one should be a Duratec) it is already well established in the line
which makes parts readily available for us Hot-Rodders!

So be nice to the old Essex, Dr. Rick Kilpatient (Bugs Bunny reference)
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...the only bad thing I can think of with the 4.0L is that its been about taken to its limit by Ford as far as displacement etc. Not a lot of room left for boring, stroking, etc...
The 4.0 block has mucho room for boring, or at least SLEEVING, it has a bore spacing
like a big block (4.76"!!!) so I could see a sleeved 4.0 running 4.5" pistons

A chart:

BORE SPACING of select Ford Engines:

...4.0......3.8......5.0......460......FE......
..4.76"....4.2"....4.38"....~4.9"...4.63"...

So as you see, the 4.0 could be sleeved very large, by
adding a sleeve that approaches bore spacing sizes. From
what I have gathered, the bore spacing minus ~.2" is the max bore size
with a sleeve. So a ~4.5" piston could conceivably be made to fit in a
sleeved 4.0 block if one wanted to spend the money.
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I just remember hearing it started out as an inblock cam 2.6L or something.
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I just remember hearing it started out as an inblock cam 2.6L or something.
It's the same family (you are correct) but there was a block change of
sorts, like a 302 and 351W are the same "family" but with different blocks.
According to my book. Ford 60* V6.

You would think that a 2.6 stretched to 4.0 liters would be done,
but apparently not! I'd like to see a really big stroker OHC engine...
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i figured they call explorers "exploders" for a reason... lol


anyway, nice times man. Get that 60' down though, I pulled 2.2's on street tires with my v6, so with those DR's you should at least be at a 1.9
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its very hard to get 60ft times down in an auto with out a tq converter upgrade
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My so far best with an auto on street tires was 2.17~

That's not going to get much better without a stall.
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My so far best with an auto on street tires was 2.17~

That's not going to get much better without a stall.
I got down to a 2.03 on street tires when I was using Nitrous. I think with DR's you can break under 2.0. You running a custom shift schedule on your auto?
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I got down to a 2.03 on street tires when I was using Nitrous. I think with DR's you can break under 2.0. You running a custom shift schedule on your auto?
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