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Old 06-07-2006, 11:10 AM   #1
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DARKSHADOW GET IN HERE!!! (calling all engine techs too!)

Originally posted by DarkShadow on V6Power bbs:

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Well about the end of the year or early next year, I will be tearing into the engine.

I plan on doing Heads, Cam, and Intakes from ssm. I'd really like the cut and welds, since I want to do it right if I'm going to do it at all.

I guess what I need is for you guys to give me an idea of what I need to do/look for and what your recomndations are as far as specs go. There's not any performance shops in the area that have a clue, so I'm having to do the research on my own. I especially need help on the cam specs as I know NOTHING about cams except basic working knowledge...

I already know some, but just assume I know nothing because I dont want to miss anything.

This is my current set up:

TMA race turbo kit with T4 turbo and intercooler.
39# Cobra injectors.
310 lph SVT focus pump.
80mm MAF.
COMPLETELY stock motor.

Currently putting out around 330rwhp and 360rwtq. I hope with the H/C/I to make around 400. So do guys think this is possible with FI?

Thanks for the help.
What's wrong dude, don't think we can handle anything here?
I'm a founding member of V6P and know a thing or 2 about HCI packages
Let's discuss it here too, this is the kind of post ME needs more of!
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Old 06-07-2006, 11:30 AM   #2
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Re: DARKSHADOW GET IN HERE!!! (calling all engine techs too!)

Actually no. I just made an account over there, and was more or less trying to gauge what people know there as well as semi-introduce myself.

But yeah, I was going to make one here to today as I made that one rather late last night, but you beat me to it, lol.

So yes, tell me everything I should know.

I've been thinking about the stage 3 kit with the cut and weld option....
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Re: DARKSHADOW GET IN HERE!!! (calling all engine techs too!)

Ive always said if your going to do it, do it right. So I would go with the cut and weld upper with the throttlebody port opened up, big valve heads, and have RGR do a cam for ya!!
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Old 06-07-2006, 12:12 PM   #4
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Re: Kewl!

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But yeah, I was going to make one here to today as I made that one rather late last night, but you beat me to it, lol.
Hehee, I was bored I guess

So yes, tell me everything I should know.

I've been thinking about the stage 3 kit with the cut and weld option....
Well, I see you have looked SSM and I am not as familiar with TomY's work but
I know he is good, known Tom for a long time (on the web) but I am more
familiar with RPM-Mustangs.com as you may know. I'll try and comment on
both places work as I know it...

IMO you really need a shortblock first. An HCI package would put you at what
most people consider the safe limit for a later model V6, ~400 RWHP. If you
had a 94-95 model, it could likely handle more as it has forged rods, stock.
But those rods are too short for your engine, ~.180" shorter than yours.

You could get the HCI first, but the urge to turn up the boost might be too
hard to resist and then you kill the shortblock and maybe kill some expensive
new head or cam parts that you just bought. Your choice, depending on how
disciplined you really are. Now some HCI comments.

HCI:
You can really actually save a few $ here over what most shops recommend.
The stock heads flow really well and you can get a basic porting level or DIY
it if you feel capable. The SPI heads are the easiest ones to port and get
good results. But let's assume you buy a set. Ask for a basic intake cleanup
porting and complete exhaust porting. Some chamber work pays off if you
want to spend the $ so ask about the levels available.

As for intakes, I prefer RPM's cut upper, it's 100% ported on all interior
surfaces, but at this level SSM usually specs an SSX upper, which is best.
Your Wallet's Choice here

Cam:
See Cam Form attached below.


I'm sure this will cause more q's so let it fly!
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Re: DARKSHADOW GET IN HERE!!! (calling all engine techs too!)

PS: I'm kind of a zero% commission salesman for Mik (RPM) so if you
go that way I'll be able to help you all the way thru. I helped Mik get
started in the early years and we are pretty much on teh same page.
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Re: DARKSHADOW GET IN HERE!!! (calling all engine techs too!)

Tada.

RGR-SPEC Cam Questionnaire:
Answer as much as possible!


APPLICATION: (CHECK ONE)

Street Towing
Street PerFormance *
Street/Strip

Road Race *

Drag Race



CAM TYPE: (CHECK ONE)


Hyd Roller(Most everyone uses this) * (I guess)

Solid Roller(above ~7000 RPM usually)

(Flat tappet available for 88 and older V6)



Vehicle specs:

Body Style and Year Coupe 2004
Weight Lbs around 3,600 maybe.
Transmission, Auto or Manual Auto
Stall Converter RPM stock for now, but will be upgrading
Rear Gear Ratio 3.27


Engine Specs:

Year 2004

Number of Cylinders 6
(yeah, I do other cams too!)


Nitrous?
Yes No*
Shot Size (in HP)
Direct Port or single jet
N20 jet(s) dia in thousandths inch
Required N20 peak power rpm
Number oF Stages
Nitrous Bias %
(if you want a max "onthe bottle" power cam)


Supercharged or Turbo? Turbo

Max Boost in PSI 10 for now, possibly 11 soon


EXHAUST SYSTEM: This is CRUCIAL!
Headers: if stock, state year, as some SPI swaps use
94-98 headers, or list aftermarket style and size...Custom stainless headers.

pipe size after headers: stock or list size... uh this part could get complicated.

Cat type and number: None.

pipe size after cats: 2.5"

Crossover size and type: (or none) none.

mufflers, brand, size and # of muffs: 2 Jones mufflers. I belive they are 2.25, possibly 2.5 but I'm not sure...

Tailpipes, side exit, or turndowns, and size: 2.5 to 3.25 tips.

Any other exhaust system details that I might consider
in speccing a cam, such as having Warlock mufflers and
you wish to make maximum power with the caps pulled or
have a tunable muffler like SuperTrapps or dumps ahead
of the cats/muffs or any other aspect that could change the
cams exhaust specs? No.


(I know most of the stuff below if stock)

INTAKES:
SPI or Single Port: ___spi_______

Ported or stock: __stock________

If you are using a ported or non-stock V6 EFI intake,
list the builder and style, or give specs if self
built and as many details as possible.

Port size in cross sectional area:
(or height x width)

Length if known:

IMRC's or RPM altering aspects such as plenum dividers
or other intake "tricks" in use on you setup, also
list the RPM at which they are activated...




HEADS: Stock
Port Vol/Length cc inches

Valve sizes, intake-
........... exhaust-


Do you have Flow Bench Figures? (If I did not port the
heads)_____________

Test depression ________Inches H20


Intake Lift-CFM Exhaust Lift-CFM

0.025 0.025
0.050 0.050
0.100 0.100
0.150 0.150
0.200 0.200
0.250 0.250
0.300 0.300
0.400 0.400
0.500 0.500
0.600 0.600
0.700 0.700

cylinder bore size__stock________ (stock or give overbore)

Int. rocker ratio_______stock_______

stroke___stock_________

Exh rocker ratio____stock_________

Intended Compression Ratio_no idea____:1

Thermostat Temperature___stock but thinking about 180 or 185_________


Cast Iron or Aluminum Heads? _____cast (stock)_______


Rod Length___stock `04_____ (if stock state year also, or give size)

Fuel Octane you will be tuning for:___93__________

Minimum Idle Vacuum desired ("Hg)__huh?________

Required Peak HP RPM ___depends_______
OR
Required Peak TQ RPM __________
(useful for SPI setups)
RGR suggests near-stock torque curve with
stock runner-length upper intakes, if you
have any questions ASK.
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Re: DARKSHADOW GET IN HERE!!! (calling all engine techs too!)

Upping the boost wont be a problem for me. I've already put too much into the car to just blow it up.
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Delk Performance is another place to consider.

They are putting a killer 4.2 together for me.
Also they have some new things in store on ported heads.
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Delk Performance is another place to consider.

They are putting a killer 4.2 together for me.
Also they have some new things in store on ported heads.
That's why matt needs to get on this and contribute some tech!
He's the reigning turbo-gogue in V6 circles

Hope you are getting a 4.3 as opposed to a stock bore-stroke 4.2 Kirk!
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