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Old 04-11-2010, 03:46 PM   #1
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m112 supercharger

i found this on ebay and i was wondering what i would have to do to put it on my 1998 mustang v6 3.8L. and if its a good one to buy. let me know.

03-04 Cobra Eaton M112 Supercharger TB/PL Low Miles : eBay Motors (item 220584665439 end time Apr-12-10 15:11:30 PDT)
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Change the heads to split port, get a new fuel pump, bigger injectors, you'll have to get an adapter plate for the m112, a Lightning or Cobra 90mm MAF, a new TB cable, and a few more bolts. I know I'm forgetting something. OH yes, a new belt and Idler pulley. Also, I forgot, to run boost at higher psi's, you'll need a new forged bottom end. So if you do want to do that, expect to spend as much for the bottom end as you did for the supercharger and componenets. Also keep in mind, **** starts breaking when you put it under stress, so things will break quicker.
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Alright so I might not be doing that anytime soon. Haha. Seems like a lot of money. How much would it all end up being would you think?
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All together you'll end up spending around 3500, which is still cheaper than a procharger system.
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very true. how much horsepower would i have after everything?
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at a moderate 8 psi on a stock engine, I'd say around 250-260.
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but delta the procharger comes with an intercooler thats why im still considering it over the eaton
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but delta the procharger comes with an intercooler thats why im still considering it over the eaton
Yah it basically comes down to deciding if you want that infamous whine and insta-torque or a self lubricating unit with the possibility of intercooling but without the brutal low end power...not saying it isn't there with the centri units, it's just not as pronounced.
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so whats the better and cheaper idea? and how much horsepower would i be getting if i got the eaton and a 4.3 stroker kit? i love the whine of superchargers.
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They do make kits that bolts it up but.. there is no intercooler/heat exchanger so the boost is not cooled down and generally the hood wont work~ but they have made some strides in that department~ check with mysteed on 3.8mustang.com for his kit that he makes.

Most with a non intercooled M112 blower (known ad the Heaton due to how much heat it makes lol) put down around 270rwhp-300rwhp on 8-10 psi
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so whats the better and cheaper idea? and how much horsepower would i be getting if i got the eaton and a 4.3 stroker kit? i love the whine of superchargers.
i would say if youre contemplating a built 4.3 stroker just to do a turbo set up. thats gonna give u the most power. i believe the procharger will definately give u more power on a built engine because there is only so much boost you can throw at it with a non intercooled eaton. the eaton definately has a nice whine to it, but i just dont think it is the best option for our cars. you can find used vortechs and prochargers for around 1500 for the complete kit. mysteed charges 3000 for the complete m112 kit and claims 275rwhp at 8-9psi or so
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and honestly, make sure you even want to put a built v6 engine in your car. i was looking at it on supersixmotorsports a few years back and he charges the same price as a v8 equivalent built engine. it just isnt worth it in my opinion. i say if you want a little more power, just find a nice used supercharger and be happy with 300rwhp while you save for a shelby like me
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True, 300rwhp may sound like a TON but trust me... it gets old and you want more and more and more... but im gonna be happy for a LONG time with my 450rwhp/tq~ its not super fast but its all I need.
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well maybe not, but unless you can build a v6 yourself most of these places charge a ton. ssm, delk, etc. it just doesnt seem worth it to me (anymore) to invest all that into a v6 when the same can be had in a v8. i can understand bolt-ons, nitrous, supercharger. but 8000+ for a built v6 that can only get the hp of a bolt on cobra doesnt seem worth it at all. not to mention everything else that goes with it: tranny, rear.....
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True, 300rwhp may sound like a TON but trust me... it gets old and you want more and more and more... but im gonna be happy for a LONG time with my 450rwhp/tq~ its not super fast but its all I need.
well after riding in rob's(purevenom) car, i think it might take me several years to even drive the damn thing with that much power.
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True, 300rwhp may sound like a TON but trust me... it gets old and you want more and more and more... but im gonna be happy for a LONG time with my 450rwhp/tq~ its not super fast but its all I need.
ha...ha, 450rwhp not super fast, 3x times the rwhp my car puts down

It is true, 300rwhp is good, for the v6. If you want a v6 that's going to take other cars in its league (v6 camaros, hyundai tiburons) and maybe take out GT's then you'll be happy. But if you want something that's going to kill ls7's, cobras and turbo evo's...yeah, not the best plan.

People need to realize that cars have their limits...sure you can make a v6 600rwhp, but after the money and time spent, you could've done much more with another platform. That's why I say if you want more than a supercharger and some beefier internals can offer, look into a v8 platform.
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ha...ha, 450rwhp not super fast, 3x times the rwhp my car puts down

It is true, 300rwhp is good, for the v6. If you want a v6 that's going to take other cars in its league (v6 camaros, hyundai tiburons) and maybe take out GT's then you'll be happy. But if you want something that's going to kill ls7's, cobras and turbo evo's...yeah, not the best plan.

People need to realize that cars have their limits...sure you can make a v6 600rwhp, but after the money and time spent, you could've done much more with another platform. That's why I say if you want more than a supercharger and some beefier internals can offer, look into a v8 platform.
used supercharger and done.
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i would say if youre contemplating a built 4.3 stroker just to do a turbo set up. thats gonna give u the most power. i believe the procharger will definately give u more power on a built engine because there is only so much boost you can throw at it with a non intercooled eaton. the eaton definately has a nice whine to it, but i just dont think it is the best option for our cars. you can find used vortechs and prochargers for around 1500 for the complete kit. mysteed charges 3000 for the complete m112 kit and claims 275rwhp at 8-9psi or so
Ive seen some nice numbers on procharger D1sc (not the P1sc that comes with the kit) 500+ hp and tq
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ha...ha, 450rwhp not super fast, 3x times the rwhp my car puts down

It is true, 300rwhp is good, for the v6. If you want a v6 that's going to take other cars in its league (v6 camaros, hyundai tiburons) and maybe take out GT's then you'll be happy. But if you want something that's going to kill ls7's, cobras and turbo evo's...yeah, not the best plan.

People need to realize that cars have their limits...sure you can make a v6 600rwhp, but after the money and time spent, you could've done much more with another platform. That's why I say if you want more than a supercharger and some beefier internals can offer, look into a v8 platform.
Sit down and do the math for a 600hp 3.8 and a 600hp 99/01 cobra or mach 1. Of course the 03/04 cobra doesn't count because anything that comes from the factory boosted is going to be cheaper to get high hp numbers. But then numbers aren't always everything, Example _J_ his twin turbo v6 and his
TT 98 cobra. He's just gotten to what he spent on his 98 cobra and his TT v6 is 0.77 slower. Cobra ran 9.83 @ 10.5x16 slicks, full race trim and his v6 runs 10.6 in full street trim (18s/body kit/convertable/subs/drag radials/4r70w)
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Pushrod engines usualy make better torque than OHC. My motorcycle has DOHC 100 hp and 45 tq. (Don't laugh your car will never see 12s in the quarter on 100 hp.) But you have to go by carrols words of wisdom "Horsepower sells cars Torque wins races".
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now i just dont know what to do. supercharger sounds like the cheaper way til i find a way to get a v8. my next car is going to be a 2003 or 2004 terminator. i just want more horsepower for now.
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Well, there's always going to be the debate on the "heaton" and other chargers for the v6, it's just what you want. I went with the eaton not only because it was cheaper, but I think it'l give you more tq.
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My next cars going to be a ford flex for my wife. Then ill get the fusion as a DD, build an engine and slap on a set of turbos. The stang can be straight weekend/ track car.
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how do you like it 19delta? but ninethourpm thats funny cause i drive a fusion as my winter car. a truck when its really snowing.
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now i just dont know what to do. supercharger sounds like the cheaper way til i find a way to get a v8. my next car is going to be a 2003 or 2004 terminator. i just want more horsepower for now.
you could also look into the m90 or a split port swap. either one of those might make you happy for a decent while. they both require a good amount of work, but parts can be had for next to nothing
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i dont see gears on your list. have u thought about those?
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yea im working on selling my dirtbike right now and then im buying the sct livewire, 3.73's with a t loc, underdrive pulley kit, and maybe the bigger throttle body, i havent decided about that yet but the others are a difinite. the bigger throttle body i probably wont need if i decide to get the m112 right?
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yea im working on selling my dirtbike right now and then im buying the sct livewire, 3.73's with a t loc, underdrive pulley kit, and maybe the bigger throttle body, i havent decided about that yet but the others are a difinite. the bigger throttle body i probably wont need if i decide to get the m112 right?
for the m112, you will be using the cobra throttle body, plenum, and cai so no. throttle bodies arent worth it until you boost your car anyway. have you looked into the m90 or just a split port swap?
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yea thats what i thought. but the m90 is the lower version of the m112 right? how much of a difference is that? i want the most horsepower i can get with a supercharger. how much is the split port swap? cause right now im just looking up m112 adapter plates and finding nothing.
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yea thats what i thought. but the m90 is the lower version of the m112 right? how much of a difference is that? i want the most horsepower i can get with a supercharger. how much is the split port swap? cause right now im just looking up m112 adapter plates and finding nothing.
well first of all remember, you will have to convert to split port to even do the m112. supersixmotorsports.com has the adapter plate for 900. or mysteed has the kit for 3000 total. the split port swap parts should be no more than 200-300 or so. the hard part is the installation. a ton goes into that. im not sure on the hp for the m90, but itll be more than with the split port and full boltons. plus youll get a bunch of torque. maybe about 220rwhp with full boltons.

procharger is your best bet. itll work on your car without changing to split port and seems fairly easy to install compared to doing heads and a cam. plus you get the added insurance of an intercooled setup. they r expensive new but can be found for around 1500 used.
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man everything just seems so expensive, i might just save my money and wait to get the terminator i want. since i have none saved up so far.
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man everything just seems so expensive, i might just save my money and wait to get the terminator i want. since i have none saved up so far.
thats probably the best idea
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yea ill probably keep getting little things here and there and just keep saving up for the terminator.
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man everything just seems so expensive, i might just save my money and wait to get the terminator i want. since i have none saved up so far.
Now you're thinking clearly. If a cobra is your goal, don't waste the money to bring you sixer up to gt specs and just stick that money away for the cobra. Much better return on investment as it will bring you a lot more joy than a 250-300 hp sixer.
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yea thats what i realized. i want a cobra so bad. but i just dont have the money for it right now. so ill just save up and find a really nice one when i have a good amount of money.
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