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Old 04-29-2010, 10:19 PM   #36
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THIS IS ANOTHER MESSAGE FRMO THE SELLER... HOW MUCH TO FIX ALL THAT? ESTIMATE?

The car's general condition is mechanically sound but cosmetically needy. It has a few minor mechanical flaws, like needing a new speedometer worm gear in the transmission, and losing brake fluid somewhere other than at the wheels (so it probably needs a master cylinder). We can talk about its weaknesses & strengths at your convenience.
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THIS IS ANOTHER MESSAGE FRMO THE SELLER... HOW MUCH TO FIX ALL THAT? ESTIMATE?

The car's general condition is mechanically sound but cosmetically needy. It has a few minor mechanical flaws, like needing a new speedometer worm gear in the transmission, and losing brake fluid somewhere other than at the wheels (so it probably needs a master cylinder). We can talk about its weaknesses & strengths at your convenience.
After you look at the car and feel that it is something you want to undertake, put an offer in a few hundred under his asking price to cover some of the replacement parts...tell him that too, feel him out and see if he'll bite.
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Thanks bro... U think it'll be expensive to fix what he mentioned?
It looks like a nice project car... A 1967 is always nice =)
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Well, I did a quick search on CJ Pony Parts and a worm gear for the 65-69's manuals was about 9-11 bucks. The master brake cylinder was about $150 or so. A full floor pan kit for the 64-68 coupe was 299.95.

So that's about $450-500 for parts...there's probably many more small components that will need to be replaced throughout the engine, drivetrain, suspension, body, frame, body etc. It looks like the exterior will need a full restoration...moldings, trim, weatherstripping, possibly panels depending on condition and rust.

If the only major things needed on the car are the master cylinder and floor pans, then I'd say the car is a decent buy. But there's no guarantee how well the engine really is, so definitely check it out to make sure you don't have to replace the entire engine (unless you want to).
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Or try this site: Ford Mustang Parts - Classic Vintage Mustang Performance Accessories Body Kits Interior Parts

It does seem like a good buy...as long as that's all that's wrong with it. Better make sure.
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So, I have done all I can think of to dump some horses into my 6. But I am still lacking a supercharger, heads, and camshafts. I read the post and it seems vortec is the way to go, but I have only been successful in finding used ones for a V8. Now, I am quite the experienced mechanic, but I have never messed with a supercharger. I am merely a simple G.I. so I don't rightly have the 5k+ to spend on a new one, and I don't like the procharger either. I am insistant on a roots sytem. Can anyone give me some ideas on where to find a used vortec for a V6?
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So, I have done all I can think of to dump some horses into my 6. But I am still lacking a supercharger, heads, and camshafts. I read the post and it seems vortec is the way to go, but I have only been successful in finding used ones for a V8. Now, I am quite the experienced mechanic, but I have never messed with a supercharger. I am merely a simple G.I. so I don't rightly have the 5k+ to spend on a new one, and I don't like the procharger either. I am insistant on a roots sytem. Can anyone give me some ideas on where to find a used vortec for a V6?
Vortech is the same style as the procharger, just without an intercooler. If your looking for a roots style blower you can either do the m90 for a single port car or a m112 for a 99-04 car.
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It would also help to state the year of your car.
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As for me id like to do as little as possible with the installation of the turbo or supercharger... Like less changed on the engine and what not. I am not such an experienced mechanic... I just know a little.
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As for me id like to do as little as possible with the installation of the turbo or supercharger... Like less changed on the engine and what not. I am not such an experienced mechanic... I just know a little.
See, a blower install wouldnt scare me at all. If i knew i had all the right parts, had an install guide, and a backup vehicle, it doesnt seem too bad. The vortech might be a pain since you have to modify the a/c line which means constant leaks as well as tap into the oil pan. Once you start tearing into the engine, that scares the hell out of me.
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Yea thats exactly what i dont wanna do!
The less mods the better - i wish i could just bolt a supercharger up and not do any other mods... Well other than maybe gears and suspension
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Yea thats exactly what i dont wanna do!
The less mods the better - i wish i could just bolt a supercharger up and not do any other mods... Well other than maybe gears and suspension
Yeah I know what you mean, however I am starting to trust in mechanics less and less these days. I figure if I can go to school and learn how to design these damn things, I should at least be able to bolt the crap up.
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I have the 04 40th anniversary with the 3.9... I meant eaton, not vortec...guess I should proof read...hehehe...Anyways, so yeah I am looking into your suggestions tigerfan...thanks. I am also having problems finding heads and cams for a 3.9. Didn't see a different thread for these things and frankly, I am new to forums and not sure how to start a new one... any ideas?
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I have the 04 40th anniversary with the 3.9... I meant eaton, not vortec...guess I should proof read...hehehe...Anyways, so yeah I am looking into your suggestions tigerfan...thanks. I am also having problems finding heads and cams for a 3.9. Didn't see a different thread for these things and frankly, I am new to forums and not sure how to start a new one... any ideas?
Well, our car only has one cam. Supersixmotorsports.com is the leader for ported heads and intakes as well as cams. Delk performance is another but they are overpriced and do not have quality goods. You should do a search on all of these as they have many threads on them. 3.8mustang.com and v6power.net are very good sites for looking up things although the people on there are ********. It seems the smaller the engine, the bigger the *******. Oh well, so search these and if you have any questions go to the v6 section and do a new topic. The people here are very helpful.
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1.) supercharger + stock bottom end + 10psi + conservative tune will last you a long time. Depending what numbers you are looking for however turbo is the way to go.

2.) the 2v isn't a better platform for modding it just has 2 more cylinders, and some people can't seem to get away from /number of cylinders/ a vehicle has.
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1.) supercharger + stock bottom end + 10psi + conservative tune will last you a long time. Depending what numbers you are looking for however turbo is the way to go.

2.) the 2v isn't a better platform for modding it just has 2 more cylinders, and some people can't seem to get away from /number of cylinders/ a vehicle has.
so you recommend a turbo?
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If you can live with a centri style supercharger, the procharger is probaby the easier of the two (vortech being the other). It is a self containing unit, so no tapping into the oil pan and it basically bolt on. Buying a unit that's intercooled is the safest way to go.

If you want the roots style, you'll have to look into the m90 or m112 as said before. My only issue with them is that they don't come with a way to be intercooled. The heatons (as they are commonly known) are basically air pumps, not efficient compressors like a KB or Whipple, so they produce heavy amounts of heat. Despite this, there are plenty of guys who have done the install, and kits/parts are available for a complete install. Just remember to upgrade your fuel system (injectors and pump), and a TUNE. The tune is key to any major engine alteration.

Turbo's will give you the most gains, but kits are slim these days for the 3.8/3.9's. Andy at TMA made a great bunch of kits, but I believe he stopped making them a while ago.
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if you can live with a centri style supercharger, the procharger is probaby the easier of the two (vortech being the other). It is a self containing unit, so no tapping into the oil pan and it basically bolt on. Buying a unit that's intercooled is the safest way to go.

If you want the roots style, you'll have to look into the m90 or m112 as said before. My only issue with them is that they don't come with a way to be intercooled. The heatons (as they are commonly known) are basically air pumps, not efficient compressors like a kb or whipple, so they produce heavy amounts of heat. Despite this, there are plenty of guys who have done the install, and kits/parts are available for a complete install. Just remember to upgrade your fuel system (injectors and pump), and a tune. The tune is key to any major engine alteration.

Turbo's will give you the most gains, but kits are slim these days for the 3.8/3.9's. Andy at tma made a great bunch of kits, but i believe he stopped making them a while ago.
and turbos are just bolt on?
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and turbos are just bolt on?
No, I'd say turbo's are more sophisticated and require more work to install. You need oil feeds/drain lines, wastegate, bov, egr bypass/block off, alterations to your exhaust system (that's a given, lol), guages (you'll want them with a supercharger), a bunch of clamps, hoses, lines, etc.

It all depends on the setup too.
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There really isn't much to a procharger though. It is pretty much bolt on, and get the PCM tuned...
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How many horses from a procharger?
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If you can install a procharger kit and a set of long tube header, you can install a turbo kit.

Everything is essentially "bolt on" , besides the fact that the turbo kit requires you to tap an oil pan where as the procharger kit is self contained. But personally I've never been a fan of self contained blowers. One oil change takes care of oil fed turbos/sc's and you don't need special oil blah blah.

Prochargers are notorious for leaking seals too!
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If you can install a procharger kit and a set of long tube header, you can install a turbo kit.

Everything is essentially "bolt on" , besides the fact that the turbo kit requires you to tap an oil pan where as the procharger kit is self contained. But personally I've never been a fan of self contained blowers. One oil change takes care of oil fed turbos/sc's and you don't need special oil blah blah.

Prochargers are notorious for leaking seals too!
While I agree most of the stuff is fairly simple, running lines and such, it may not be to everyone, especially someone with little experience. It's not something I'd recommend someone to do if they haven't done too much automotive related work and don't have a spare vehicle just in case a problem occurs.

However, if you are going to pay someone to do it, (and I mean really pay, labor rates are high) then it doesn't matter to much, turbo, supercharger...and 9 out 10 times people don't do in between maintenance themselves, they bring the car back in for upgrades to the systems, new oil, etc.
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I'm just going to throw some personal experience out here.

Buy "nature" I'm a computer geek, computer science is my major and I used to be one of those don't change my own oil because I didn't know how people.

When I bought my vortech kit used no way was I paying another 1200-1500$ to get it installed. Its all pretty /basic/ as long as you can read and comprehend on an 8th grad level. The only 'hard' part was tapping my oil pan mainly because I was too scared to screw up but going slow and taking my time it only took me 8hours on my first go around.
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Well, prochargers are self contained centrifical superchargers. That means there is no need for oil lines like in turbos. There are several different pieces to the induction portion of the procharger, a couple of vaccum lines, and wires. But essentially there are very little if any mods, cutting and drilling you need to do. I put one in an 07 V6 in about 3 hours... woulda only taken 2 but we had to do a beer run part way thru...
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Hey, vcs_ssstang I too am a computer geek as well as a computer science graduate, but mechanics has ran in my family for many years, so I inherited the gift...
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How many horses from a procharger?
you can see 300rwhp pretty easy and safely.
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Hey, vcs_ssstang I too am a computer geek as well as a computer science graduate, but mechanics has ran in my family for many years, so I inherited the gift...
Computer Science is my major, all my uncles and of course my father are all "shade tree" mechanics.
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Computer Science is my major, all my uncles and of course my father are all "shade tree" mechanics.
About the same with me, but my father was a professional high performance mech. But it's all good...
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how much horsepower would an m90 supercharger give my 98 v6? cause if its just bolt on thats sweet.
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Yea - for my v6 i want more power... But i just want to do a "bolt on"
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how much horsepower would an m90 supercharger give my 98 v6? cause if its just bolt on thats sweet.
no where near a bolt on, you pretty much have to replace the engine to do it right, its a major pain with very low sad results

the M112 2003 cobra blower kit is cheaper and will result in good power.. but no intercooling

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dont dare expect amazing results for normal bolt ons, wont happen... just the way it is. They do help overall just dont be let down (prepare yourself lol)
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