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Old 07-23-2006, 11:01 PM   #1
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My cousin has a 99 V6 automatic that gets better gas mileage than my 00 5-speed. He put in a K&N air filter and a Tornado, which improved his gas mileage 3 city and 4 highway. Is the $130 for both worth the extra mpg and does either/both improve gas mileage?
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tornados don't do crap
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plus more air=less filtering=more crap in engine=bad

thats comming from a ford master tech

after talking tot him i WONT be getting a CAI, just a new air filter
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My cousin has a 99 V6 automatic that gets better gas mileage than my 00 5-speed. He put in a K&N air filter and a Tornado, which improved his gas mileage 3 city and 4 highway. Is the $130 for both worth the extra mpg and does either/both improve gas mileage?
K&N, yes. Tornado...I would say negatory. It is my experience, that turbulent air is bad...then again I am talking from a forced induction world. None the less, if there are any kind of gains to be had, I would say they would be very minimal. The K&N is knows to improve mileage and power from a tick or two...

So, in summary, get the K&N...it is worth it.

Run from the tornado.
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plus more air=less filtering=more crap in engine=bad

thats comming from a ford master tech

after talking tot him i WONT be getting a CAI, just a new air filter
This is why I don't take my car to the dealership to have it worked on unless absolutely necessary.

As for the Tornado... run far, far away. All it does is restrict air flow.
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This is why I don't take my car to the dealership to have it worked on unless absolutely necessary.
I couldn't agree more.
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plus more air=less filtering=more crap in engine=bad

thats comming from a ford master tech

after talking tot him i WONT be getting a CAI, just a new air filter


ok........ thats the most rediculous thing Ive ever heard. How many people have run how many hundreds of thousands of miles on a car with a CAI and had "more crap in their engine" because of it.

Thats ok though, keep listening to your "ford master tech" he sounds like he knows his **** :thumbs2:




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a cai if anything, helps the car, i have never seen a car get more stuff in its engine because of a cai
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tornado.. what do you typically do when u see one, run and hide... do the same, use ur naturally given senses.
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sorta reminds me of the E-SUPERCHARGER!!!! ROFLMAO
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plus more air=less filtering=more crap in engine=bad

thats comming from a ford master tech

after talking tot him i WONT be getting a CAI, just a new air filter
I'm a ford master tech.. any particles that do get through the filter are about as likely to harm the engine as driving in the rain.. haven't seen it happen yet, and don't think I'll ever see it happen.. unless its a faulty filter.. or you drive on a beach and risk getting a lot more sand near the filter...

biggest problem with oil type filters is that excess oil can be sucked off the filter and screw with the MAF
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i talked to 12second5.0 i trust him so...whatever. to each thier own
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ok........ thats the most rediculous thing Ive ever heard. How many people have run how many hundreds of thousands of miles on a car with a CAI and had "more crap in their engine" because of it.

Thats ok though, keep listening to your "ford master tech" he sounds like he knows his crap :thumbs2:




For your info I am the one who told Tim this information.We have had on more than several occasions "dusted" engines.We torn the engine down and actually have pits in the cylinders.I do run a K&N on my 5.0 coupe but it also sees very limited duty on the street and I am very meticulous with my maintenance.The majority of people aren't.In fact they put the K&N on and more or less forget about it.I WILL not run them on my daily drivers.Since most people will read this and think I am full of crap then ask yourself why you never see anyone run a K&N on a dirt bike?...................
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I WILL not run them on my daily drivers.Since most people will read this and think I am full of crap then ask yourself why you never see anyone run a K&N on a dirt bike?...................
Hummm???? This makes my head hurt. Why would you run a oiled filter on a dirt bike???? The dirt would cake on and choke the engine out. There are applications for K&N filters and there are applications you would not want to use them. Dirt bikes being one of them.
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Hummm???? This makes my head hurt. Why would you run a oiled filter on a dirt bike???? The dirt would cake on and choke the engine out. There are applications for K&N filters and there are applications you would not want to use them. Dirt bikes being one of them.
That's funny.........Why do we use filter oil.............. I run Maxima filter oil on my air filter on my dirt bike.
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For your info I am the one who told Tim this information.We have had on more than several occasions "dusted" engines.We torn the engine down and actually have pits in the cylinders.I do run a K&N on my 5.0 coupe but it also sees very limited duty on the street and I am very meticulous with my maintenance.The majority of people aren't.In fact they put the K&N on and more or less forget about it.I WILL not run them on my daily drivers.Since most people will read this and think I am full of crap then ask yourself why you never see anyone run a K&N on a dirt bike?...................
so you're gonna tell me a CAI will make your car dusted? Heres an idea... lets not drive all over gravel roads with a filter in an area that would collect dust.

I still dont buy this "Im not getting a CAI" thing
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For your info I am the one who told Tim this information.We have had on more than several occasions "dusted" engines.We torn the engine down and actually have pits in the cylinders.I do run a K&N on my 5.0 coupe but it also sees very limited duty on the street and I am very meticulous with my maintenance.The majority of people aren't.In fact they put the K&N on and more or less forget about it.I WILL not run them on my daily drivers.Since most people will read this and think I am full of crap then ask yourself why you never see anyone run a K&N on a dirt bike?...................
I'm not saying your right or wrong about CAI's, but K&N has started making filters for dirt bikes. I have a twin air on my YZ 250, but I think one filter is as good as another on a dirt bike, even the stock ones, but from what I've heard the knew K&N's are suppose to be pretty good, I've been thinking about getting one, they sure look different than the traditional dirt bike air filter.
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Hummm???? This makes my head hurt. Why would you run a oiled filter on a dirt bike???? The dirt would cake on and choke the engine out. There are applications for K&N filters and there are applications you would not want to use them. Dirt bikes being one of them.
I try to clean and oil my filter after every ride, if not then every other. This is very important on a dirt bike.
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I am simply amazed by this thread and really do not know what to say.
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That's funny.........Why do we use filter oil.............. I run Maxima filter oil on my air filter on my dirt bike.
Just me but I personally would not have used a oil type filter on any of my dirt bikes because of the environment.

But thast just me.
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That's funny.........Why do we use filter oil.............. I run Maxima filter oil on my air filter on my dirt bike.
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I try to clean and oil my filter after every ride, if not then every other. This is very important on a dirt bike.
Clean and oil your filter after every ride???? That would get annoying for the minimal gain of having a oiled filter. Would you do that with your car????
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For your info I am the one who told Tim this information.We have had on more than several occasions "dusted" engines.We torn the engine down and actually have pits in the cylinders.I do run a K&N on my 5.0 coupe but it also sees very limited duty on the street and I am very meticulous with my maintenance.The majority of people aren't.In fact they put the K&N on and more or less forget about it.I WILL not run them on my daily drivers.Since most people will read this and think I am full of crap then ask yourself why you never see anyone run a K&N on a dirt bike?...................
I do see people running K&N filters on dirtbikes, they are just not as common because foam is easier and quicker to clean.
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Just me but I personally would not have used a oil type filter on any of my dirt bikes because of the environment.

But thast just me.
Ask anyone that currently rides and races their bike if they oil their air filter.This is a dense foam air filter that all dirt bikes are equipped with.


I am by no means denying that there are gains to be made with the addition of a CAI or a K&N air filter. It has been dyno proven that there is. I am simply stating that what let's in more air will let in more dirt.If any else wishes to think I am full of **** then go drive your car on a beach with your K&N. Remove your filter when done and look in your intake inlet.The results may suprise you..............
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It makes sense to me.
You can't have more airlow without less filtration.
I just don't think it's a huge difference.
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It makes sense to me.
You can't have more airlow without less filtration.
I just don't think it's a huge difference.
CAI's work not by filtering less but by allowing air to be filtered over a much larger suface area. Same filtering, just less air has to be pulled through each small hole. The stock airbox only has about a 3" hole that air is passed through. That's the resriction that's being avoided by the installation of a CAI. Plus the air can be pulled through the filter all the way around instead of just through the part of the filter across from the hole. That's why the stock cone airfilter never gets dirty except for one spot where all the air comes in.
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