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Old 10-14-2003, 06:47 PM   #1
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CAI or ram air

As far as I understand, a ram air system uses a scoop and kinda forces air into the engine. Can someone explain it a bit more for me. And also, which is better, a standard fender-well CAI, or a ram air system?
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Old 10-14-2003, 07:20 PM   #2
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fender wall in my opionion is better than ram air. Unless you have a shaker hood with scoop or something of that sort. Ram air is meant to give power more once youre actually moving. A fenderwall kit will give you power all the way through
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i was thinking the same thing. i think ram air is much cooler looking.. thats why i thought about it... but a fenderwall CAI will be the better choice in my opinion.
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what you could do is a little of both. Get a fender well CAI. then just get a heater pipe from home depot big enough to go over the air filter and clamp down where it is, and set something up that way.
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Like a side or under scoop? I'm thinking of just going fenderwell. Try and find a cheap E-Bay CAI.
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i sent $12 making a ram air system. It's made out of chimney piping. it's just a 6' piece that is straight and you can turn the pipe and it will go into almost a 90 degree angle. It took me about an hour and all it cost me was 12. It was cheap and i could tell a difference for sure. I saw a website where a guy did it to his cobra and i kinda took his ideas and did it with my 6. There is no way you can see it unless you look through my mess where the foglights go. If you can interested i will send you the site.
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like Zim said I read somewhere that you had to be going about 70-80MPH to get the advantages of ram air. so normal street driving will show little or know gain

But I think it looks kind of cool and it does not hurt either. So if you want to do it go for it
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yeah, I'd like to know. I think I will do a fender well cai, but build a scoop for it. But your thing sounds cool too.
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I have a March Ram snorkel...... I can't use it with the Shogun front end..... Give me $20 and $5 postage and it's yours!
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with my full length densecharger, i turned it so the filter pretty much is slammed with air when you drive down the road. You need to remeber tho that ram air itself only works well about 55mph...CAI works all the time. I would recomend the DeMolet Densecharger for your CAI.
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what you could do is a little of both. Get a fender well CAI. then just get a heater pipe from home depot big enough to go over the air filter and clamp down where it is, and set something up that way.
that was going to be my suggestion too. i did that for a while, but decided the ghettoness of having one fog light should end.
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http://www.corral.net/tech/powerplant/ram-cold-air.html


Heres the link for the homemade ram air
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ram air is good until you run through a large water puddle.
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ram air is good until you run through a large water puddle.
it would be fine, your cars not going to suck the water in like a straw. It has to go up a pretty good incline to get into your engine... plus thats what your filter is there for
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ram air is good until you run through a large water puddle.
it would be fine, your cars not going to suck the water in like a straw.

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The first link that was mentioned was kinda like a system i had thought about doing.
But i was going to cut half of the pipe so its a "ram air" but it also works at low rpm's. So it grabs air at fast speeds with the duct, but the fitler is still exposed so it grabs air constantly.

Just my idea, any thoughts?
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ZimStang, hate to see your avatar changed :no: ...I'd grown so attached, like she was talking to ME! Only me! <sob>
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Charles. I like that Idea. But I think just half a pipe will just create resistence. Look at the intake for the new Mach 1 if you can find plans. It has a fenderwell cai like the gt, but it also has the scoop.
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how would it create resistance, its inside the fender?
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Anyone with the Mach 1 intake plans that DROPTOP_STANG speaks of, please provide a link for my viewing and fabrication pleasure. Thanks!
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because it's not directing the air like a full enclosure does. I mean some air would get forced in, but mostly I think it would just turbulate the air. What you could do is make the tube around the filter very large, about 2.5" around the filter. It will allow open flow, but still scoop like it should.
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Extreme G has that, but its on his Gt.

Actually i think he got rid of it, or found a way for it to work with his old hood.
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The first link that was mentioned was kinda like a system i had thought about doing.
But i was going to cut half of the pipe so its a "ram air" but it also works at low rpm's. So it grabs air at fast speeds with the duct, but the fitler is still exposed so it grabs air constantly.

Just my idea, any thoughts?
Link me to what you're talking about so we can see.

y'all are really beating a dead horse. gains from cold air and/or ram air might be significant to a daily driver with few modifications, but there are a lot bigger things to worry about IMO than just a little cooler air charge.
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ram air is good until you run through a large water puddle.
it would be fine, your cars not going to suck the water in like a straw. It has to go up a pretty good incline to get into your engine... plus thats what your filter is there for
No, it's not. The filter is to filter out debris from silt sized grains upwards. Water can go through it fine.

The ram air kits I've seen on a couple 5.0's have had a water guard and a little drain pattern to keep the water from going up the fender.

With my ghetto plastic piping ram air, I used the landscaping kind that had big ridges in it all the way up and down. I poked holes in the bottom side of the bottom half of the ridges. This sufficiently let all water caught in the ram air out, as I check the filter after driving around in the rain.
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The first link that was mentioned was kinda like a system i had thought about doing.
But i was going to cut half of the pipe so its a "ram air" but it also works at low rpm's. So it grabs air at fast speeds with the duct, but the fitler is still exposed so it grabs air constantly.

Just my idea, any thoughts?
Link me to what you're talking about so we can see.

y'all are really beating a dead horse. gains from cold air and/or ram air might be significant to a daily driver with few modifications, but there are a lot bigger things to worry about IMO than just a little cooler air charge.
the link was mentioned above.

Iam not going to do it, just thought about it.
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While the true functional gain of ram air has been debated (over and over again)... I think someone here said it best, it can't really hurt anything. Personally, I'd rather spend the money somewhere else... but to each their own.
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Some people dig ram air, some people think it's a waste. What's a waste about a cheap upgrade that gives more power? ANY power gain is a good power gain. There's a lot more money wasted on a lot less performance. Like bigger/heavier wheels, heavier body kits, power-draining electrical add-ons, etc.

If your goal is the ricer look, then you're probably not interested in winning races anyway. You just want to style.

I'd rather have a spankin' beast with fourteen inch steel wheels than have a parking lot beauty that's number one on the gone in sixty seconds goal sheet.

Like JESTER4KICKS said, to each their own.
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i personally think that ram air is better. Everyone said that it only works at higher rpms. Well it is going to work better at lower rpms then a FENDERWELL cai. Because a fenderwell cai will be restricted no matter what because there is only so much are in the fender. but with ram air it has all the air you could ever use.. I have had the home made ram air on my car for about 6 months, and i drilled 2 big holes in the bottom and i have never had water go in the filter. Ram air is the best. IT's less restricive at lower rpms and is alot better then a fenderwell cai at higher rpms. am i right???
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rpms doesn't have anything to do with ram air. /speed/ does. your engine is capable of getting enough air just fine. you have to be going 50+ mph to start to feel the affects of ram air.
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all i'm trying to say is that ram air is more effective and is less restrictive.
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on mine, no rain (water) got up into the filter and it rained here a good day, with me driving behind other cars at speeds 60mph+. i do need to say, one thing i saw thats hard is to get the right fit with pvc, and black would work fine, but i would say to get the thin wall white. i am going to try to take pics of mine soon, my dig is not with me.
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all i'm trying to say is that ram air is more effective and is less restrictive.
how though.

Your fender isnt air tight you know. The car still breathes normally through the fender, its not on any kind of stress or restriction. You would probably create more of a restriction by the plumbing you need for a ram air on our cars.

Ram air is a waste unless you plan on doing a lot of top speed runs. Which a v6 stang wont be good for.
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My Ram Air worked at low speeds, it's
basically a better CAI at low speed.
At higher speeds it can actually funnel
more air to the filter than a CAI could.

It was such a dramatic difference it "felt" like 10 HP.
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I will go with Robert on this!! If he said there was a difference I believe him
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