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Old 05-28-2007, 10:16 PM   #1
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Okay this may be a stupid question but i will be installing my 50 shot dry nitrous system this week and i know people say to put colder plugs but my question is what are the numbers for colder plugs?? Does it mean a plug with a different gap or what :hmm: ?? Also they say to ****** my car 2 deg for every 50 hp but what is retarding it and how do you ****** it more??

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But then again a Dumb question is a dumb question not asked huh
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You're going to need a tune if you are wanting to ****** timing on your 99. I don't know of a way to pull timing on these engines without a tune to be honest.
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I was pretty sure i had to get a tuner to ****** it (so retarding it means adjustin the timing w/ a tuner huh) just wanted to make sure though you know, before i bought one. I am thinkin about orderin the SCT Livewire tuner from rpm outlet. You know much about the plugs??

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Re: Nitrous Upgrade??

A sponsor on this site (vmptuning.com) would be able to help you with alot of these questions as well. I have a Xcal2 from them and don't have a single complaint about it.

On the plugs, to be honest I'm not 100% sure so I don't want to give you the wrong info.
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Thanks for the VMPtuning site. I found the answer to my question I had about a V6 Stang should run colder plus and this is the numbers it had for the 2 steps colder plugs 6 AWSF-22C Motorcraft Spark Plugs. Also for my question about what makes a plug colder? - The factory plugs come w/ 42 heat range plugs (which some 6's ping from factory cause plugs so hot) and 22 heat range is recommended for power adders such as Nitrous, SuperChager, or Turbo and can even go with a 12 heat range plugs. Also the gap stays the same no matter what the heat range which is recommended to be set at .35 .

If someone else has ?? about plugs i found this as well. Very good info about Spark Plugs although it is more concentrated towards a V8 but same principle.

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Remember to run colder spark plugs with nitrous. This means copper plugs. For the V6 mustang, Autolite 764s work perfectly. Also, remember to gap them correctly too. The stock gap is 0.050” and you want to run 0.035” when running nitrous. The reason is that nitrous increases the cylinder pressure, which can result in spark blowout (the spark of the plug not staying lit to combust the air and gas resulting in lost hp). Gapping your plugs smaller will make it harder to prevent spark blowout.
I would also can the idea of dry nitrous. I would go with wet.
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I would also can the idea of dry nitrous. I would go with wet.
A wet application is more for the guy the sprays every weekend and is running shots of more then 125. The most i'll ever spray is 75 and which it will only be very often. But when i do plan on Drag Racing more often then i'll go with a 125 shot wet kit w/ a 11psi procharger but for know i'll just stick w/ a 50 Dry shot.
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...But when i do plan on Drag Racing more often then i'll go with a 125 shot wet kit w/ a 11psi procharger...
Not on stock internals you won't...(at least not for very long)
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Not on stock internals you won't...(at least not for very long)
Well yeah when i plan on going to that extent i will have to upgrade the stock internals for sure if not that would just be askin for trouble. So thats why i dont plan on going that far just yet due to the amount of money it takes to go that far.
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A 75 shot with a very good tune and setup will be ok, but anything can happen.
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Re: Nitrous Upgrade??

A 150shot on stock internals has been ok for me Its all in the tune and i will say im tuned by one of the best there is.And that is a 150 wet kit i will never spray a dry shot whether it be 35 shot or 150 it wont happen.
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Wet kit for me as well.
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Dont get me wrong wet kets are good but anything can go wrong with a wet just as stuff can go wrong w/ dry.. Thats just my opion though
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Dont get me wrong wet kets are good but anything can go wrong with a wet just as stuff can go wrong w/ dry.. Thats just my opion though
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On the V6, the models made in 1998 and prior can use the dry kits safer than the models made in 1999 and after. The reason is, in 1999, Ford switched from a return style fuel system (where the excess fuel not burned is returned to the fuel tank) to a returnless style fuel system. On the pre99s, the fuel pressure regulator can be adjusted to increase the amount of fuel. And since the fuel is just returned, it’s not a huge deal. On the 99+s however, the returnless style makes the maf calculate the exact amount needed. The fuel pressure cannot be changed very easily and you need a very good dynotune to run a dry kit on a 99+.
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I was about to post something very similiar ^
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I was going to get a dyno tune anyways so that will just give me a better reason to know
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So basicly from everyones post a WET kit is FAR better then a DRY kit but it is possible to run a dry kit right with all the correct mods can we all just agree on that
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Possible, yes.

Safer, no.

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Okay not safer but i've heard from a lot of other people that they been running it for a long time on their 99's and never had any prob's. I'll run my car w/ this dry setup and i'll let you all know what happens okay.
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Everyone has a friend who has done X, but you never hear the full story abou them breaking x parts, or only spraying it 5 times ever, and so on. Go by what the professionals and more experienced people have said, not something someone's friend has done.

Example, a friend of mine had a TPI Camaro with a procharger and a 500 shot. Yes, i said that, a 500 shot. Now sure, all day he'll say he had no problems with it.... FOR A WHILE. And of course it was built to an extent, but guess what, it finally blew.
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Yeah dry kit is not safer but a wet can puddle and blow your upper intake right off
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Yeah dry kit is not safer but a wet can puddle and blow your upper intake right off
I dunno where you hear this I ran a NX Wet Kit with a 100 shot on my car for well over a year and I didnt have any puddling issues at all.


Guess I was lucky
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Yeah dry kit is not safer but a wet can puddle and blow your upper intake right off
Wheras a dry can go lean and melt your pistons.
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You can run a dry system which is much safer than a wet one. With a wet system if the fuel solinoid doesn't open you will lean out the motor and burn it up but not so with a dry set up. You need to run about 2 steps colder spark plugs and premium gas when you are spraying to keep detonation away. Some other things to have would be an RPM window switch. Then you can set what engine RPM it will come on at. These cars run retarded already so you should be safe at 75 hp but no more. Any more you need to ****** the engine (2 degrees for every 50 hp). Just remember detonation will kill your motor in a heart beat so ALWAYS be on the safe side with spray. Also if you have your car tuned now for more timing you will need to put it back to stock or ****** it slightly (2 degrees) first. What I mean about a dry system being safer is simple. You have one solinoid to fail and if it does nothing happens except you don't go as fast. With a wet system if the fuel solinoind fails to open the engine will be way too lean and can burn up before you have a chance to lift your foot (I've seen it happen). I ran a N.O.S. 150 shot wet system for years and loved it but that was on a race car, for a street car a dry system is safer. There is way a wet system is safer than a dry system IF you have you car set up right. Just have one time a fuel solinoid fails to open and you'll be rebuilding your motor (or replacing it), not just replacing a head gasket. Also a 75 hp shot either wet or dry is still 75 hp so to say a wet shot will give more power doesn't make since. It will when you want more yes because then you need the extra gas but not with 100 hp or less. It's up to you but I sure woundn't use a wet system on a street car, it's just asking for trouble. I bet you would have had more than a blown head gasket if you had been using a wet system. If you set up your car correctly for a dry system and use it right it can NEVER cause any engine damage. Can you say that about a wet system? The set up is not the same for a dry system as it is wet, With a dry system and 100 hp jets you are supposed to put in higher flowing injectors ) but with a wet system you don't need to because the solinoid is suppling the extra gas. If you want all out speed and power then yes wet is the way to go but if you want to safely add some power then dry is better. Either way it's a blast.
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I have a buddy who has been running a 100 shot ZEX wet kit for a while now on his GT. ZEX especially is as safe and foul up proof as any of them can be. "so far" he hasn't had any problems other than blowing a loose plug out and stripping the hole (which after doing some research, he found that this is a common problem with the 4.6). He has cold plugs and no timing retardation.

Any nitrous set up has the potential of ruining an engine, but if done right, they have little possibility. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone I know or have heard a little about in my area that runs dry shots. They all seem to be doing just fine. :dunno:

If I were going to spray, it would be a small shot for intake temps, but it would still be wet. That's my preference.
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Wet is the way to go.
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You can run a dry system which is much safer than a wet one. With a wet system if the fuel solinoid doesn't open you will lean out the motor and burn it up but not ................ is suppling the extra gas. If you want all out speed and power then yes wet is the way to go but if you want to safely add some power then dry is better. Either way it's a blast.

There is a difference in wanting all out speed and power than wanting to safely add power???


So at the beginning of this post you didn't know to even swap to a colder range spark plugs, and now you're a nitrous pro???? What gives? I would much rather take advice to people that have experience in what I wanted to do my car than force my opinion on them. Sure the fuel solenoid can fail, so can your spark plugs, plug wires could be faulty from the factory, MAF can get dirty and not adjust properly for AFR and screw up the motor, your fuel pump could fail and spray nothing but nitrous would spray and foul up the motor, lightning could strike and burn down your car.... SHEESH. Several things are possible that could happen and screw something up. There is always a risk in using aftermarket parts on a car.



Our point is, sure that fuel solenoid could fail, but it's no more likely to fail than the nitrous solenoid. In a typical nitrous setup, I would much rather trust an aftermarket system that adjusts for more air(nitrous) going into the motor, than a stock computer that can hardly think for itself, for adjusting for all the added power in a car.

With a 50 shot fine. But when you get bored with that and swap in the 100 pills when you get greedy one night, I'm sure somone on here can sell you a new V6 motor, or better yet go ahead and do a V8 swap, because you're going to need it.
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Wet is the safest way top go of course no engine is competely safe in nitrous no matter how well its built.
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Never said i was a nitrous pro all that info came from a VERY EXPERICENCED NITROUS PRO, From another forum site i think i'd rather beleive that fellow then you all on the nitrous part of it anyway (as for just stang ? i think this forum is very GOOD, but then again thats just my opinon just like w/ the WET OR DRY just a matter of opinon. Oh and by the way if i want a smaller shot of juice i'll stay w/ my dry kit but when i want all out power from nitrous i'll go WET just like i was adviced to by YES A PRO NITROUS FELLOW. SO i would say this thread is done cause all it sounds like is a old *** married couple arguing back and forth.

THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THE OTHER GOOD ADVICE THOUGH DONT GET ME WRONG THIS FORUM IS ONE OF THE BEST FOR SIXERS :wave2: :thanks: .
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This thread makes me okay i agree that dude prolly does know what hes talking about but One hes saying hes running a 150 shot which makes me think right off hand he has a older V8

Um you do realize that a V8 and V6 are set up differly right? oh wait thats right cause that "nitrous expert" knows alot on the whooping plastic upper intake you have thats so much just like a V8s intake

ah wells believe what you want man. thankfully your only gonna be doing a 50 shot so you wont see anything but hey good luck wit that
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Never said i was a nitrous pro all that info came from a VERY EXPERICENCED NITROUS PRO, From another forum site i think i'd rather beleive that fellow then you all on the nitrous part of it anyway (as for just stang ? i think this forum is very GOOD, but then again thats just my opinon just like w/ the WET OR DRY just a matter of opinon. Oh and by the way if i want a smaller shot of juice i'll stay w/ my dry kit but when i want all out power from nitrous i'll go WET just like i was adviced to by YES A PRO NITROUS FELLOW. SO i would say this thread is done cause all it sounds like is a old *** married couple arguing back and forth.

THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THE OTHER GOOD ADVICE THOUGH DONT GET ME WRONG THIS FORUM IS ONE OF THE BEST FOR SIXERS :wave2: :thanks: .
OOOOOOooooo... Ok, you should have quoted him. I thought that was you saying that. My apologies.
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sorry didnt know how to quote but i now figured out how to do it, sorry bout that. :dunno:
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