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Old 04-11-2011, 06:03 PM   #1
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Make it as strong as a V8

How can I make my V6 as strong as a V8??
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Re: Make it as strong as a V8

First off.

Year, mileage, and actual goals. We can help from there.
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Well what u mean strong like horsepower or good handling
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135k miles and torque and handling and anyway to beef the Horsepower.
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135k miles and torque and handling and anyway to beef the Horsepower.
What year is it...this is the most important factor.
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What year is it...this is the most important factor.
It's an 01
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It's an 01
At least you have a good platform to start with.

The 01 is the split-port design, leaps and bounds better than the single port engines (94-98).

I'm going to ask you to do a little homework and reading then get back with what results you are looking for.

First thing I want you to do is check out this post:
When modding a car from the start: (order of mods list for best results!!!)

It may seem like an old thread, and please do not bump it, but it's probably the best information on basic mods you'll find anywhere in writing.

Second thing I want you to do is pick a basic starting budget and we'll go from there.
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Re: Make it as strong as a V8

This is also a good article: V6 Mustang Modification Guide
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This is also a good article: V6 Mustang Modification Guide
Didn't know that one existed...would have posted it otherwise.
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Your boy is right if strength of v8 is what you want seems like you should have a v8... But if that's not the case and you wanna be like me and enjoy what you have, research.
Upgrades like a tuner, cai, heads and exhaust system, pulleys, cam, fuel injectors, fuel pump, anything performance wise will make you faster or close to a v8. I've beaten v8s before with my sixer. You will spend lots of money tho. But in the end you'd be spending money on the same things as a v8. Its up to you.
I on the other hand want a six. It's my daily driver and I don't wanna get rid of it. But I'm going to get me a v8 in the future, for right now it's jus fun and games. My past time. And v8s hate on v6s but a mustang is a mustang.
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Re: Make it as strong as a V8

^^^ Some 8's hate 6's but most of us here dont... because thats like saying that roush/saleen hate gt's, mach's hate roush/saleen's, and cobras hate all... just saying. Everyone is different with their opinions, to the OP dont ever post something and expect to always hear the answers your wanting, look at me.. i painted my wheels bronze on a black car haha.

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^^^ Some 8's hate 6's but most of us here dont... because thats like saying that roush/saleen hate gt's, mach's hate roush/saleen's, and cobras hate all... just saying. Everyone is different with their opinions, to the OP dont ever post something and expect to always hear the answers your wanting, look at me.. i painted my wheels bronze on a black car haha.

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It's not a bad thing to start with a v6. It's fun building it to make it faster. But with these new mustangs coming out ima get me one. A GT and ima black it all out like this sixer here.
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Re: Make it as strong as a V8

the 3.8L can be built VERY strong, its just a matter of effort and money. If you feel that you cant invest a ton into the car and you do not want a vehicle that WILL have issues and be unreliable from time to time or more so depending on how the mods are done then you may not wish to dive to deep into the car.

Building the motor and going to a 4.2 stroke if you stay N/A you are looking at 230rwhp or so which is not horrible but not great.

If you keep the compression normal and go forged internals then you can get much more~ but the cost will be higher.
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Re: Make it as strong as a V8

Forced induction would be a quick way to get it to stock or even a little more than stock v8 power
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Forced induction would be a quick way to get it to stock or even a little more than stock v8 power
Explain.
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Re: Make it as strong as a V8

Please stay on topic.
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Like a supercharger or Turbocharger. Quickest ways to beat a stock v8 with a v6. But be ready to spend if you do this
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Re: Make it as strong as a V8

I've worked with my six for just over 6 years now, and with the numbers off the lot sixes are putting down, its a bit discouraging. I still have some more to go though and don't feel like it was wasted as the body style I own is still my favorite.

This website has the parts you will need to make a better block.

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Will that affect the lifetime of the motor. I was told that removing the "cat" will increase hp.
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Yeah be prepared to pay at least 6k$. Now I have an off conversation question. But involves making a v6 quicker. There was an earlier thread that had a link to it it's on the previous page. It said gears 3.73s for standard and 4.10s for auto. Why is this? I have an automatic, And everyone keeps telling me that 4.10s is too steep. What's the real deal here?
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Will that affect the lifetime of the motor. I was told that removing the "cat" will increase hp.
Exhaust work adding hp is a misconception.

All motors need a certain amount of backpressure to operate correctly. When you put in a flow through muffler or remove them or your cats altogether, you reduce backpressure. What this does is transfers hp from your lower rpm band to your upper rpm band. At low rpm's, your car needs some backpressure, but once you increase your rpm's you benefit from freer waste expulsion. For our vehicles, exhaust is really just a sound upgrade unless you are getting into very high power numbers. with full exhaust, headers back,, we are talking a transfer of maybe 10hp under ideal conditions...realistically 5-7ish.
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Lol all a sudden v6s wanna take on v8s...
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Excuse the super long post but here we go!

First- UD pullies- They are not a must but they do help. SN95 3.8Ls do not have a harmonic balancer and UDPs run $70-85. New Edges have a harmonic balancer and UDPs run $150-175. For the $85($175) you will spend on them new they are worth a couple of horse power. They are not a big gain item. Look for used gears, used just means cheaper.

Your cost is at $85 (for non-harmonically balanced)

Exhuast- Not a real big gainer either unless you have bigger mods to support it. You don’t have to spend an arm and a leg on exhaust. You can go to a muffler shop and have them build you a dual set up cheaper than what any cat-back or after market company can offer after shipping. I paid $250 for my duals with flowmasters. I wouldn’t pay much over that for an exhaust system.

Cost is at $335

T-loc- If you are pushing any power you want to be able to get traction. I’m using a used T-loc that has been rebuilt. I’ve had it in my car now for 5 years under some pretty good abuse and never had a problem. I paid $100 for mine, look for a deal on one I wouldn’t pay any more than $250 for one on a budget.

Gears- Make a choice 3.73’s or 4.10’s. See which ones will be right for you. Gears are something that personally I would not get used. I bought Richmonds new and never had a problem with them for $165. I would not suggest installing your own gears and T-loc unless you really know what you doing so I factored in an average $300 installation fee.

Cost is at $1050 ($165 for gears), ($250 for T-loc), ($300 for installation)

K&N filter- I personally think that a K&N filter in the stock air intake tube is just as good as a CAI. That is just my opinion so I would spend the $25 for the filter and leave it at that.

Cost is at $1075

Cam- You will really notice a big difference in the car with a cam. I am using a 207 cam from RPM and really like it. All in all they are a little tricky to install but nothing that anyone who was taking their time and had a good over view of the procedure with a manual couldn’t do. I paid around $180 for my cam.

Heads- These will make the biggest difference in performance. They are pricy though too. Super Six sells a pretty good set for around $1000. I got mine from Gaston who P&P’s them (from V6power.com) for $500. I really like them and he did a fantastic job. While the heads are off this is the best time to do the cam, no worries about holding the valves up and just makes things simpler to do. I also think putting valve spring on heads is a lot easier when they are not on the car.

Valve springs- You will need to get a set of valve springs to go along with the cam and perhaps some push rods. I suggest the adjustable roller rockers and then you can keep you stock push rods. Expect to pay around $100 for a set of springs.

Gaskets- they are more expensive than you think. For upper and lower intake, head, water pump and front seal along with head bolts it cost me around $250. I got all Fel-pro stuff.

Cost is at $2355 ($750 for heads), ($180 for cam), ($100 for valve springs), ($250 for gaskets)

Roller rockers- They make a big difference over stock rockers and you can tell why when you look at them side by side. I suggest the adjustable rockers.They are aroung $255 for non adjustable and $360 for adjustable.

Cost is at $2715

Nitrous- nitrous is the biggest bang for the buck mod there is. With no other mod can you spend $500 and get 100 hp out of it. I like the Zex kits but NX is also a very good brand. You can save a lot of money getting a used kit. Ebay is always full of them and they come up for sale on the boards from time to time. I paid right around $500 for mine and around another $150 for accessories.

Cost is at $3365

Tuner or chip- I like the SCT X-cal. For $420 you can’t get a better deal. Chips can tune as well but you are stuck with what is on the chips and if you change your tune needs they have to be sent off and reprogrammed. The chips run around $350.

Cost is at $3785 ($420 for tuner)

Other misc stuff your going to need along the way like a Maf can be found for cheap as well used. I found my maf for free from a friend. Keep your eyes open for any thing you think you might need. If you can get a part for free and you might not use it you can always sell or trade it for something that you do need.

Auto's may need additional help as well. The addition of a higher stall torque converter would help tons with the aod


04 GT’s went for around $23800
V6 mustangs sold for around $18900
Difference of $4900

The build I described and priced out will have you putting car lengths on GT with ease for around a $1000 less than they paid for their car as is.
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Re: Make it as strong as a V8

^ installation on gears and tloc can be pretty pricey. maybe 300 somewhere
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^ I factored that price in
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To sum up all the posts for OP here:
As much as I hate to say it, you'll be hardpressed to make your car as quick/powerful as a GT without spending several thousand. I'm barely pushing 250 at the crank with everything I've done.
Plus, it will always sound like poo because of our even-firing motors.
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Re: Make it as strong as a V8

Quickest, easiest, cheapest way to get there....

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Quickest/easiest but not safest.
That **** is unpredictable.
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Re: Make it as strong as a V8

I had to sit back and really think about what I wanted out of my 01 V6. I decided for the time/money and end result (value of the car after its all done) it wasnt worth it for me personally to modify the V6. So you have to look at the facts and the investment to determine if thats the path you want to travel down.
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Quickest/easiest but not safest.
That **** is unpredictable.
Complete misnomer. A properly set up Nitrous system is incredibly reliable and predictable. Probably more so than any other form of "power adder". With the safety measures present in modern, leading kits, the only true draw back to nitrous now is having to fill the bottle.
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