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Old 11-03-2003, 01:33 AM   #1
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Venom pack Site release

http://www.extremeeffect.com/38Venompacks.html

The site will have it's own addy in the coming days,
www.venomkit.com

James has siad he would take time out the next while to answer any questions about the kit after work.

This is also posted in our own forum so if you have any questions we can tackle them anywhere you post'em.
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I agree with the "no specs" concept but output.
HP is not a spec but a result, which can vary greatly,
but the RWHP figures are pretty good selling points,
(you should not have to worry) I made an SC pkg.
that was installed and run NA w/o inj's or CAI/MAF
and it pretty handily beat another shop's NA setup
which was setup for NA. IMO 200 RWHP is a walk in
the park so I would expect more than that. Looks like
a well-conceived package, the cam selection looks
kinda familiar, you must have found the same regrinder
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The site has the HP results as 60-70 HP gain.
The specs aren't listed but the HP is.
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my bad, thanx!

BTW, I read it some time back, but the time you guys raced a
V8 and had it beat until he hit the juice, all I can say is

Great story, good writing!
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Well man that is great new Steve. I like the Venom site to !!! Well thought out

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The site has the HP results as 60-70 HP gain.
The specs aren't listed but the HP is.

thats compared to a stock singleport tho correct?
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The site has the HP results as 60-70 HP gain.
The specs aren't listed but the HP is.

thats compared to a stock singleport tho correct?
Those gains are calculated using a stock block and a fairly stock setup. The cars we tested with all had dual exhaust and so canít in my mind be completely stock. But that was it.

The site is misleading to the point that all my hard work isnít completely shown.
I had the kit performing well in excess of 220+ rwhp at one point.

But the powers that be made a conscious choice to keep the package available to all those who are looking for daily driver reliability. The kit delivers 100% in that respect.

I can tell you that special orders for people who do want the power plant to deliver those kinds of numbers will be made available, but the motor will not be considered daily drivable.

I am sure we have some computer geeks here who can relate to this analogy.
The Venom Kit is a lot like the chip inside your home computer. It is sold at a certain processor speed, but you can easily bump that up to several times faster.
You then get gobs of power yet sacrifice reliability.
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well I only asked because I was wondering what your plans were for splitport?

145 + 70 = 215, which is nice..

but what kinda gains do you expect to see when starting with 190?
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Keep in mind this answer is made with 10 months of testing on single ports and about 3 on the split ports.

The split port heads are sweet! Sweeter than sweet. The intake is what drives me crazy.
From what I can gather, the 99+ makes the perfect V6 all N/A car. Hands down. The intake is what keeps it from being any better.

While we are not working on a custom upper yet for the 99+, I think that would be the only way I would even consider releasing a Venom Kit for it. We have quite a ways to go still on the heads but I like everything I see.

A quick answer is I donít have a clue. The intake is where the difference will be made in my mind and since plans arenít even there yet, I canít really answer it.

But for the benefit of others reading this, I feel like the 94-98 single ports have a severe advantage over the 99+ when it comes to a supercharged application.

Again, this is just from a very small amount of time spent with the split port setup.
So take it with a grain of salt.
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*scratches head* hmm, where have I seen those cam specs before?
Very secretive on all your specs. I guess ends justify the means right?
I didn't see on the site, but do you use a stock TB, or halfshafted or BBK
or what? Just curious.
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*scratches head* hmm, where have I seen those cam specs before?
Very secretive on all your specs. I guess ends justify the means right?
I didn't see on the site, but do you use a stock TB, or halfshafted or BBK
or what? Just curious.
The TB is stock, as is the rest of the car with again exception of the duals.
As per cam specs, we even mention that on the site about the specs because they are very familiar. That is the one item which has really made this whole thing rather challenging is that the kit stuck us with 2 problems if they can be called problems.

1)The cams are very limited. This needs to change and change badly or the V6 will never realize its true potential. But while we are working on theoretical cams, until we actually get one and can place it in the car, that is all it isÖ.theory.

2)The 2nd issue is the intake. I have looked at the competitions products pertaining to this and Supersix has a very good looking intake. But of course that is only viewing it from the outside.

But Steve showed me an intake by RGR and while it is nothing flashy to look at (compared to the SS intake), it does seem to tackle the limitations of the stock intake. And given the fact that our primary focus has been N/A performance, I would really like to see RGRís intake on our car. I think that is a very practical application and I donít know why I never even saw it until just the other day. He really should get the word out on that more, because it looks very impressive. From what I can tell with just a picture, it would prove to be the better of the 2 between himself and Super Six.

Maybe someone with more knowledge on that intake can tell me if I am right or wrong.
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Yes This is very cool. When I went out to recruit Vendors and Mods like Robert and Mikael I was hoping to see them get involved in discussion that would stimulate the mind and I believe it is happening
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Yes This is very cool. When I went out to recruit Vendors and Mods like Robert and Mikael I was hoping to see them get involved in discussion that would stimulate the mind and I believe it is happening
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i should get a free Venom Pack for being good looking. 8)
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I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Do I here from any beholders HUMMM!!! Well sorry steve no beholders so no free venom pack for you buddy HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHAHA
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Glad to see you verify that a 215 cam can make 220+ RWHP.
That was the first cam that I specced, and while your LCA & IC
might be different, it's the same basic cam.

As for saying the cams for V6 are limited, I don't know what you
mean. I've had great results from what I've had to select from,
I generate all my own cam specs and I've had fun doing it!
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As for saying the cams for V6 are limited, I don't know what you
mean. I've had great results from what I've had to select from,
I generate all my own cam specs and I've had fun doing it!
Give me the number of cams that are ready to buy, not "can be made or developed"
then place it next to the number of cams readily and easily available for the 5.0 or 4.6

That should explain itself.

Generating cam specs is one thing, the customer being able to get one tomorrow is another.

I mean really, can you honestly say that internal parts are easily accesable to the V6 enthusiast?
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As for saying the cams for V6 are limited, I don't know what you
mean. I've had great results from what I've had to select from,
I generate all my own cam specs and I've had fun doing it!
Give me the number of cams than are ready to buy, not "can be made or developed"
then place it next to the number of cams readily and easily available for the 5.0 or 4.6

ZERO "ready to buy" V6 cams VS. Hundreds of V8 cams
OK, makes sense now



That should explain itself.

Generating cam specs is one thing, the customer being able to get one tomorrow is another.

I mean really, can you honestly say that internal parts are easily accesable to the V6 enthusiast?

No, but the availability curve is pretty close to the
R&D curve, I can get about anything a V6 modder
needs and in relatively short oder for parts. When
I get more capital, I'll have my new grinds and some
old ones "on the shelf" for the V6ers. Maybe even some
207/215 and 215/225 But new grinds too.
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