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Old 01-17-2012, 11:10 AM   #1
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Proper way of downshifting?

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I was wondering how I should properly downshift when coming to a red light that's almost turning green or slowing down in traffic (or if there is even a recommended way of downshifting for this particular model mustang). I know how to double clutch and single clutch but cannot do heel to toe because the gap between the brake pedal and gas pedal is just too wide so I can't touch both pedals at once. Just in case, I drive a '00 V6. Also, when I single clutch, no matter how much I blip the throttle, the car always tends to jolt. Whether I let go of the clutch fast or slow it just always jolts, so can someone help me with that too? Thanks.
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dont down shift when slowing down, it eats up your clutch... just put it in neutral and use the brake. This saves the clutch life and brakes are far cheaper than a clutch.
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dont down shift when slowing down, it eats up your clutch... just put it in neutral and use the brake. This saves the clutch life and brakes are far cheaper than a clutch.
How about slowing down before going into a turn? Still move into neutral and brake?
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Re: Proper way of downshifting?

i just dont down shift usually unless I slow down enough that it is required, then I just down shift on the other side exiting the turn.
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i just dont down shift usually unless I slow down enough that it is required, then I just down shift on the other side exiting the turn.
but how do you downshift though when ur exiting? sorry if i'm sounding stubborn, just i got this car at 134K miles and it was left in crappy condition so i'm trying to preserve the car as much as i can without doing any/much damage to it
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Re: Proper way of downshifting?

I use the neutral/coast/brake method too... the only time I downshift is when I want to make a statement . In that case, I generally tap the throttle, shift down, rev the engine a little and slowly release the clutch (Oh what a sexy roar that is)
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be careful downshifting
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Sure if you want to baby your car forever neutral and brake it. I blip downshift and heel toe all the time. You can also just downshift and let the clutch out slow. I've never gotten less than 100k km on a clutch so I'm not worried about clutch life. Powershifting, blip shifting, and heel toe shifting will all require some more matinence and work but its more fun, make you a better driver, and its how to develop performance driving skills.
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Sure if you want to baby your car forever neutral and brake it. I blip downshift and heel toe all the time. You can also just downshift and let the clutch out slow. I've never gotten less than 100k km on a clutch so I'm not worried about clutch life. Powershifting, blip shifting, and heel toe shifting will all require some more matinence and work but its more fun, make you a better driver, and its how to develop performance driving skills.
My gas pedal is about two inches further back than my brake so I can't heel-toe shift. :/
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My gas pedal is about two inches further back than my brake so I can't heel-toe shift. :/
Have you ever heard of the pedal mod? It will bring it up almost lined up to the brake pedal.
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Have you ever heard of the pedal mod? It will bring it up almost lined up to the brake pedal.
Nope.. I haven't. What is it?
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Sure if you want to baby your car forever neutral and brake it. I blip downshift and heel toe all the time. You can also just downshift and let the clutch out slow. I've never gotten less than 100k km on a clutch so I'm not worried about clutch life. Powershifting, blip shifting, and heel toe shifting will all require some more matinence and work but its more fun, make you a better driver, and its how to develop performance driving skills.
What heel toe shifting? And how do you double clutch and what is the need?
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Double clutching is for cars with non synchronized transmissions. I'm pretty sure it's not necessary with your car but I could be completely wrong.
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Double clutching is for cars with non synchronized transmissions. I'm pretty sure it's not necessary with your car but I could be completely wrong.
That's what I thought. I just don't get what it does. What's wrong with regular shifting?
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I use the neutral/coast/brake method too... the only time I downshift is when I want to make a statement . In that case, I generally tap the throttle, shift down, rev the engine a little and slowly release the clutch (Oh what a sexy roar that is)
for some reason no matter if i blip the throttle first and then downshift or vice versa and let off the clutch slow, the car still lurches forward for some reason. yesterday i realized that i had to punch the gas pedal for like a second while downshifting and then letting off the clutch slowly to prevent that from happening. I know that in some way, this is hurting the car but i don't know of any other way to downshift without making the car lurch forward. Although I have double clutched many times now and that seems to work fine (except it strains my upper left leg

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Sure if you want to baby your car forever neutral and brake it. I blip downshift and heel toe all the time. You can also just downshift and let the clutch out slow. I've never gotten less than 100k km on a clutch so I'm not worried about clutch life. Powershifting, blip shifting, and heel toe shifting will all require some more matinence and work but its more fun, make you a better driver, and its how to develop performance driving skills.
that is sort of what I want...even though i'm not going to race at all, not anytime soon, I do want to know how to do all 3 downshifting techniques but my gas pedal is just way too far to the back...

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My gas pedal is about two inches further back than my brake so I can't heel-toe shift. :/
i have the same problem as u like i stated above, so ur not the only one lol

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Have you ever heard of the pedal mod? It will bring it up almost lined up to the brake pedal.
i've never heard of that either. what is it and how much does it cost?

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That's what I thought. I just don't get what it does. What's wrong with regular shifting?
i'm taking a guess based on what track racers say about heel to toe is that you maintain speed when going through a turn but then you can also accelerate easier coming out of the turn. I guess what these other guys are saying is that there really is no point in double clutching shifting but if you want to do it for fun and for the sound (if ur car is modded) then u can do so. Just like what DaBlueDude said, u could also improve ur performance skills that way. For me I just want to know how to execute the different downshifting techniques even though the car that I have will most likely prevent me from learning heel to toe unless i get that pedal mod...
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All that needs to happen is that you need to match your RPM while down shifting.
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All that needs to happen is that you need to match your RPM while down shifting.
I do but for some reason the car still lurches so I know I'm still doing something wrong
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If it lurches still the RPMS are too high
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My gas pedal is about two inches further back than my brake so I can't heel-toe shift. :/
Haha. Sounds perfect... heel toe is really only for the race track when your standing on the brakes. Actually having the gas a couple inches deeper than the brake is what you want.

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I do but for some reason the car still lurches so I know I'm still doing something wrong
Yes. If your lurching you are o er revving. A good blip shift is seamless. Except for the addex engine braking in the lower gear. Just learn your ratios, think
If our doing 50mph in fourth at 2400rpm what would the revs be in third at the same speed? (I don't know exactly) say 3600rpm. So you push the clutch, and while grabbing third get your blip in and meet the revs when you engage the clutch in third. It gets really easy with practice. I do it all by feel now. Oh, I dont know if people know this but never, ever, downshift into first unless you nail a perfect rev match. Huge clutch damage on a ratio that short and a lot of stress on the *** end too.

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i'm taking a guess based on what track racers say about heel to toe is that you maintain speed when going through a turn but then you can also accelerate easier coming out of the turn. I guess what these other guys are saying is that there really is no point in double clutching shifting but if you want to do it for fun and for the sound (if ur car is modded) then u can do so. Just like what DaBlueDude said, u could also improve ur performance skills that way. For me I just want to know how to execute the different downshifting techniques even though the car that I have will most likely prevent me from learning heel to toe unless i get that pedal mod...
Heel toe braking / downshifting is used under heavy braking into a corner. Its a technique used to.rev match gears while braking HARD. Only way to practice it is to set up some cones in a parking lot with a long runoff untill you get it.because if your not on the limit, there's really not much point. The idea is (when employed to the max) that you need the engine braking and the mechanical to hit the apex of the corner. Your left foot does the usual clutch work. Toe end (for most, not all.) of the foot does the brales and heel blips the gas. (Depending on footsize and pedal arrangment, some people (myaelf included, can use the left side of the righr foot on the brake and the right side for the gas.) This is an advanced drivers technique and should not be employed untill blip shifting is mastered. If you want.to.get a feel for it you can start learning on straight roads (closed courses I mean mods) by starting in 4th and then heel toe shifting down to third while on the brakes. For street use it has limited application unless you need to.get slowed down for.that yellow light.
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Nope.. I haven't. What is it?
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i've never heard of that either. what is it and how much does it cost?
I'm not sure if it can be done to a gt, but basically, look up at the very top of the gas pedal(like the way way upper area of the whole pedal). See where the throttle cable connects to the pedal? Basically, pull the bottom part of the pedal towards you and pull the cable through the hole, (this is a cheaper what to do this)but put zip ties around the cable until its nice and snug. But not too tight or it will leave the throttle open a built constantly.

I used a piece of air hose from lowes and some metal clamp band things, then added a zip tie to be just a little closer.
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I'm not sure if it can be done to a gt, but basically, look up at the very top of the gas pedal(like the way way upper area of the whole pedal). See where the throttle cable connects to the pedal? Basically, pull the bottom part of the pedal towards you and pull the cable through the hole, (this is a cheaper what to do this)but put zip ties around the cable until its nice and snug. But not too tight or it will leave the throttle open a built constantly.

I used a piece of air hose from lowes and some metal clamp band things, then added a zip tie to be just a little closer.
Oh! I already did that a few moths ago. I just did it to fully open the throttle body because it was only opening like 80%. I didn't know a lot of people actually did it. Haha. Throttle response was GREATLY improved.
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Oh! I already did that a few moths ago. I just did it to fully open the throttle body because it was only opening like 80%. I didn't know a lot of people actually did it. Haha. Throttle response was GREATLY improved.
Ha, I did it to raise the pedal... I like heel-toe shifting for fun
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Oh! I already did that a few moths ago. I just did it to fully open the throttle body because it was only opening like 80%. I didn't know a lot of people actually did it. Haha. Throttle response was GREATLY improved.
What are the chances of screwing this up?
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What are the chances of screwing this up?
Not likely.. It's pretty simple.
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