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Old 12-04-2007, 07:20 PM   #1
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Un-tuned vs. Tuned

What would the difference be on a stock 01 sixer?
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ginormous, but useless unless you have other mods, I have an 03 v6 with cold air intake, headers, and full exhaust. I decided to get the 3.73 rear gears and once I did that I had to get it tuned in order to correct my spedometer/RPM's. once I got it tuned though I noticed a big difference. increased my top speed and improved my 1/4 mile time alot!
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About 10hp/tq~ give or take a couple IF the tune is on a dyno not just a mail order can tune.
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Re: Un-tuned vs. Tuned

i posted a video of me racing a spec v and the chase car was an untuned v6..........yeah you can see the difference. i put about 20+ cars on him from 0-~90
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If you have an automatic trans, the gains are worth it
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If you have an automatic trans, the gains are worth it

I do have an auto. So without any mods the gains from a custom tune are worth it?
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I do have an auto. So without any mods the gains from a custom tune are worth it?
You'll pick up firmer, better shift points.
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Re: Un-tuned vs. Tuned

dont expect something night and day from the tune. With that said if you get a real dyno tune not just a mail order chip/programmer you should see about what gears/tlok would give you with a better overall driving feel and better shifts. I would say with an auto you will shave off at least 3 tenths from your times.
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Re: Un-tuned vs. Tuned

so far i shaved .9 off my time with a tuner
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Re: Un-tuned vs. Tuned

.9 is a ton to shave off with only a tunner and nothing else. I've never seen that happen on any mustang.
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.9 is a ton to shave off with only a tunner and nothing else. I've never seen that happen on any mustang.
Remember, he is an auto. Those firmer/quicker shifts...better usage of the power band...will make a major difference over stock times. His UD pulley and CAI don't do bubkiss for him...nor the exhaust...figure at least .7 of it was tune alone.

EDIT: It was also going from an 87 tune to a 93 tune....better spark, more power, better shifts...tons of benefits.
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Tune made all the differance for me
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Re: Un-tuned vs. Tuned

So anywhere from a .3-.7 second gain?
Thats seems worth it.
I know prices for a good dyno tune probably varies but can anybody give me an avg?

Plus, with this tune do y'all think I could beat an 04 stang, stock and ragged sixer?
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.9 is a ton to shave off with only a tunner and nothing else. I've never seen that happen on any mustang.

well now you have.........in about a month or so i'll make a run tuned and untuned at the track.

but as it stands now, my best untuned was a 15.8 (once, the other runs were 15.9s) and my best tuned was 15.0 (consistant)
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well now you have.........in about a month or so i'll make a run tuned and untuned at the track.

but as it stands now, my best untuned was a 15.8 (once, the other runs were 15.9s) and my best tuned was 15.0 (consistant)
The truth comes out.

15.8 - 15.0 = .8

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well now you have.........in about a month or so i'll make a run tuned and untuned at the track.

but as it stands now, my best untuned was a 15.8 (once, the other runs were 15.9s) and my best tuned was 15.0 (consistant)
Who tuned it? I didn't see those kinds of gains in my 02 v6 with a sct chip. I know you have a few small mods and I was basically stock but wow.
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The truth comes out.

15.8 - 15.0 = .8


youre absolutely right..............i stand corrected. i shaved .8 off my time with a tune, brandon. not .9

i didnt consider the ONE time i EVER ran a 15.8 stock and the other 20 or so times i ran 15.9-16.1 vs the 5 or 6 runs i've made tuned and turned 15.0


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Who tuned it? I didn't see those kinds of gains in my 02 v6 with a sct chip. I know you have a few small mods and I was basically stock but wow.
stang-hi performance.........its a local guy down here. he's made a custom tune for my car and for some reason it wont work on any of the other 6's he's tried it on. i've beaten about 3 or 4 other 6's and after they asked what i've got done they go to his shop for that tune. but when they try it they get detonation pretty bad. so he has to load a less agressive version of the tune in there
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Who tuned it? I didn't see those kinds of gains in my 02 v6 with a sct chip. I know you have a few small mods and I was basically stock but wow.
His wasn't a chip...his was a flash tuner....which is where part of the difference comes from. It was tuned by Stang Hi here in baton rouge. His mods really don't do much other than let him add more stuff in his sig. I would dare to guess about 10ish or so more HP from his few mods.

Was your SCT chip set for 93 octane only? Or were you able to run lower octane? His spark was setup solely for 93....anything less = guranteed detonation.
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stang-hi performance.........its a local guy down here. he's made a custom tune for my car and for some reason it wont work on any of the other 6's he's tried it on. i've beaten about 3 or 4 other 6's and after they asked what i've got done they go to his shop for that tune. but when they try it they get detonation pretty bad. so he has to load a less agressive version of the tune in there

It's all because of that extra displacement you have.
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His wasn't a chip...his was a flash tuner....which is where part of the difference comes from. It was tuned by Stang Hi here in baton rouge. His mods really don't do much other than let him add more stuff in his sig. I would dare to guess about 10ish or so more HP from his few mods.

Was your SCT chip set for 93 octane only? Or were you able to run lower octane? His spark was setup solely for 93....anything less = guranteed detonation.
I had a multi-position chip. I had a 87 tune and a 93 tune. I'm considering getting it re-burned for my GT but with the gains I saw from the v6 I'm not sure if I want to go through the trouble. I know mail-order isn't ideal but does anyone recommend a supplier for the re-burn?
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I had a multi-position chip. I had a 87 tune and a 93 tune. I'm considering getting it re-burned for my GT but with the gains I saw from the v6 I'm not sure if I want to go through the trouble. I know mail-order isn't ideal but does anyone recommend a supplier for the re-burn?
BFI Garbage Hauling....then get an x-cal 2 from vmp/rwtd/stang hi/etc....with custom tunes in it...
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well if you ever want to try your luck against a tuned 03 V6 let me know
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BFI Garbage Hauling....then get an x-cal 2 from vmp/rwtd/stang hi/etc....with custom tunes in it...
How is a tuner any different than a chip other that having the ability to change settings for gear ratios / tire sizes on the fly with the tuner? I thought a chip could be burned with a custom tune just like a tuner. Or is there something I'm missing?
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How is a tuner any different than a chip other that having the ability to change settings for gear ratios / tire sizes on the fly with the tuner? I thought a chip could be burned with a custom tune just like a tuner. Or is there something I'm missing?
A flash tuner is a ton easier. A flash device also lets you make changes on your own as needed...where simple things like gear/tire size changes, fine tune auto shift points, other items you feel comfy with....can be changed without having to send it off and get it changed = Free mods.

Steps to tune with a tuner:
1. Plug in to ODBII port and load the tune. Done.

Need changes?
1.) Email your tuner...they make the change...
2.) Receive updated tune via email
3.) Load the file on the tuner via usb
4.) Plug in to ODBII port and load the tune. Done.


Same process with a chip:
1.) Remove the chip (hoping you don't bend something/short out the computer/drop the chip)
2.) Mail it to the tuner...wait for snail mail to get there (hope nothing happens to it in the mail or it get lost somewhere).
3.) Wait for snail mail for return of chip with udpate (hope nothing happens to it in the mail or it get lost somewhere).
4.) install the chip (hoping you don't bend something/short out the computer/drop the chip)


See where the flash tuner is much cleaner?

Flash tuner also lets you data log on the fly with your laptop with a simple USB cable and free software from SCT.

Convenience is really the major benefit. I can't say whether a flash device lets you change more settings or not since I am not up on the complete feature set of each. However, I do believe a flash tuner does allow for more customization due to the constant updating of the strategy (kinda like firmware) to add new features....but that is my best guestimate. I know of 4 or 5 features and tweakable parameters added to the strategy for my car...settings that weren't availble when I bought the tuner....and have since been added and tweaked accordingly (fuel pump voltage mapping is the most recent one).
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Re: Un-tuned vs. Tuned

I guess my thought process was that I already own a multi position chip. Reburn = $80-$100. Tuner = $350-$400. Even if I needed to change a tune at some point (which is probably not the case because I don't plan on modding too much) I'm still coming out ahead. I agree with you though, if I had nothing to begin with I would go with the tuner.
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