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Old 03-04-2012, 03:34 AM   #1
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Just got a 98 3.8, got a couple questions

I just bought a 98 v6 convertible, and like everyone else on here, I can't possibly just leave it stock. I'm an experienced mechanic (not by trade, own a towing company, got bored with just towing 'em so now I fix 'em too), I've rebuilt quite a few engines so before I even popped the hood I had a few ideas. I've noticed a few things though that I want some opinions from you Mustang specialists before I waste money (keeping in mind I bought this car for the convertible part, not planning on racing it, got an Acura CL type S that keeps up with 911's for that):

1) This throttle body is tiny, is the $250 for the bigger one worth the money?
2) The stock Air Intake as a whole looks pretty efficient, thinking about just getting a better filter but has anyone messed with the passenger fender itself to force more air in?
3) I'm definitly buying a chip/programmer, haven't decided which one yet, but of course want to get the most out of it. Has anyone bothered to install the bigger injectors (there are a few choices out there)? It always comes down to air, spark, and fuel, gonna do the better coil, wires, and plugs... will these stock injectors give me enough fuel to keep up with the increase in air and spark?

That'll probably be enough for now, like I said I don't plan on going crazy with it. For what it's worth I grew up a chevy guy, test drove this thing on a whim and was hooked. I apologize for all the bad things I've said about your cars, I'll admit I was wrong... Thanks in advance for the help!
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Re: Just got a 98 3.8, got a couple questions

Throttle body will be needed when you do the split port job.
-Just get a CAI, underdrive pulleys, dual exhaust, and some Ford Racing 3.73 gears. Take those bolt-ons down to the Mustang shop and get it dyno tuned. That will quick, cheap, and extremely effective compared to stock.
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First off change your head gasket with a Fel-pro gasket. The head gaskets on the 3.8's like to burn up when you run the A/C in traffic. Promise you that it will save you a lot of headache's
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Robb: those pulleys are worth it too? I wasn't planning on messing with exhaust just yet, but again i'm unfamiliar with how it's set up now, haven't had a chance to put it up under the lift. Can I get away with a just better muffler or is that dual conversion make a difference?
Mcnassty: Great point, mine only has 109k miles on it but like you said, might as well tear her down now for the peace of mind, it gets up into the 100's in the summer down here. Not to mention as I'm sure you know whenever you tear an engine down to the heads you always find something. If I'm already gonna have them out should I go ahead and get new rods and rockers or do the stock ones usually hold up? I don't mind spending the money but I also don't want to get carried away.
Have either of you ever messed with anything to direct more air up into the fender. At first glance it doesn't look like there's much room to draw air. If I'm setting it up to breath better I'm thinking I should do something with the source, maybe fabricate a little deflector underneath to direct more air up into there.
I've been looking at that SCT Baja tuner, others are raving about them, but I'm assuming I should get everything set up first before I order the programmer to let them know how to set it up?
One last thing before I forget, I noticed the main grounds are kind of flimsy, I usually upgrade the stereo in all my cars and running two amps I'm concerned about that little 12 guage ground coming off the alternator, it's been my experience that running a big fat 4 guage ground never hurts. Where's an ideal ground location on this thing? Thanks guys, I appreciate the input
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Robb: those pulleys are worth it too? I wasn't planning on messing with exhaust just yet, but again i'm unfamiliar with how it's set up now, haven't had a chance to put it up under the lift. Can I get away with a just better muffler or is that dual conversion make a difference?
Mcnassty: Great point, mine only has 109k miles on it but like you said, might as well tear her down now for the peace of mind, it gets up into the 100's in the summer down here. Not to mention as I'm sure you know whenever you tear an engine down to the heads you always find something. If I'm already gonna have them out should I go ahead and get new rods and rockers or do the stock ones usually hold up? I don't mind spending the money but I also don't want to get carried away.
Have either of you ever messed with anything to direct more air up into the fender. At first glance it doesn't look like there's much room to draw air. If I'm setting it up to breath better I'm thinking I should do something with the source, maybe fabricate a little deflector underneath to direct more air up into there.
I've been looking at that SCT Baja tuner, others are raving about them, but I'm assuming I should get everything set up first before I order the programmer to let them know how to set it up?
One last thing before I forget, I noticed the main grounds are kind of flimsy, I usually upgrade the stereo in all my cars and running two amps I'm concerned about that little 12 guage ground coming off the alternator, it's been my experience that running a big fat 4 guage ground never hurts. Where's an ideal ground location on this thing? Thanks guys, I appreciate the input
Underdrive pulleys are def worth it.
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Re: Just got a 98 3.8, got a couple questions

For the modifying the fender part for more airflow, you could install a NACA duct right there to help more air get in the filter. I've seen it done on a few fox bodies before.
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Re: Just got a 98 3.8, got a couple questions

If you are comfortable with tearing into engines and have a good mechanical background (which seems to be the case), I'd consider a split port swap. It will basically bring you up to 99+ 3.8/3.9 v6 specs. The 94-98 v6s have 1 intake runner per cyl. compared to the 99+ 2 per cyl.

Depending on what you can find and pull out of junkyards you could probably do the swap for under $600...$600 for ~40hp is a good ratio

Here's a full list of what you'd need...seems like a lot but most you can take off a newer v6 F150 or mustang.

Sixpackstang's Official Split Port Swap Post

Just something to consider...there are plenty of single ports out there that make decent power, it just depends on the application. If you don't even want to dive that far into the engine than bolt ons will have to do. UDP's are a good bolt on do to on the v6's unless you plan on either a supercharger or a large sound system. Adding either or both would negate the need of underdrive pulleys.

Exhaust is really a personal preference...you can do a siimple muffler swap or fab up piping or buy a kit and do full dual exhaust..anytime you push those gases out faster is a good thing, just don't expect huge gains on these cars.

Same goes for the CAI...a simple filter replacement or cheap CAI will do. I wouldn't get crazy and spend a ton of money on one...if you do the split port swap I'd hold off on the CAI untill you determine what upper intake you chose to use.

From what I've heard from 94-98 v6 owners the stock t/b, injectors and fuel delivery system will do until you build the motor or add FI...the small gains from the bolt ons won't warrant the need for a larger t/b or injectors so save the money.

Handheld tuners are the more preferred choice of tuning these days for mustangs...not sure if you car is an auto or 5spd. If it's an auto the tuner will really wake up the car by firming up the shifts and altering the shift points to much more aggressive points.

Depending on the tune, octane and mods you can see some gains from 10-20rwhp, plus the ability to adjust for tire/gear changes, remove speed/rev limiters and clear/check OBDII codes.

If you've done gear swaps before definitely consider some taller gears, plus a tlok differential (posi). The 94-98 v6's came stock with a 7.5" open differential and IIRC 2.73 gears, so an upgrade to 3.73 or 4.10's plus that tlok would really help.

It's also possible to swap in an 8.8" rearend from a v8 mustang, tbird or ranger. They basically bolt on plus the driveshaft.

Just some things to consider if you want to wake your v6 up but not get crazy with it.
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Old 03-04-2012, 05:43 PM   #8
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I have a 98 3.8 v6 auto I have acell super coil,ngk spark plugs,cold air intake,flow masters just single I just get one the duels dont have a diffrence cuz its not a v8 u just be paying an extrA 200 for nothing and I bbk pulley ,and it runs pretty good Im getting a tuner next

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Gears are about 200 but remember pay someone to put them on and u have to get a recaliber thats 175 also
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Gears are more then 200 remember gears plus time to rebuild changes parts out then oil your looking at around 400 for parts then install 200 to 400 sorry to say its not cheap but well worth it
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If you are comfortable with tearing into engines and have a good mechanical background (which seems to be the case), I'd consider a split port swap. It will basically bring you up to 99+ 3.8/3.9 v6 specs. The 94-98 v6s have 1 intake runner per cyl. compared to the 99+ 2 per cyl.

Depending on what you can find and pull out of junkyards you could probably do the swap for under $600...$600 for ~40hp is a good ratio

Here's a full list of what you'd need...seems like a lot but most you can take off a newer v6 F150 or mustang.

Sixpackstang's Official Split Port Swap Post

Just something to consider...there are plenty of single ports out there that make decent power, it just depends on the application. If you don't even want to dive that far into the engine than bolt ons will have to do. UDP's are a good bolt on do to on the v6's unless you plan on either a supercharger or a large sound system. Adding either or both would negate the need of underdrive pulleys.

Exhaust is really a personal preference...you can do a siimple muffler swap or fab up piping or buy a kit and do full dual exhaust..anytime you push those gases out faster is a good thing, just don't expect huge gains on these cars.

Same goes for the CAI...a simple filter replacement or cheap CAI will do. I wouldn't get crazy and spend a ton of money on one...if you do the split port swap I'd hold off on the CAI untill you determine what upper intake you chose to use.

From what I've heard from 94-98 v6 owners the stock t/b, injectors and fuel delivery system will do until you build the motor or add FI...the small gains from the bolt ons won't warrant the need for a larger t/b or injectors so save the money.

Handheld tuners are the more preferred choice of tuning these days for mustangs...not sure if you car is an auto or 5spd. If it's an auto the tuner will really wake up the car by firming up the shifts and altering the shift points to much more aggressive points.

Depending on the tune, octane and mods you can see some gains from 10-20rwhp, plus the ability to adjust for tire/gear changes, remove speed/rev limiters and clear/check OBDII codes.

If you've done gear swaps before definitely consider some taller gears, plus a tlok differential (posi). The 94-98 v6's came stock with a 7.5" open differential and IIRC 2.73 gears, so an upgrade to 3.73 or 4.10's plus that tlok would really help.

It's also possible to swap in an 8.8" rearend from a v8 mustang, tbird or ranger. They basically bolt on plus the driveshaft.

Just some things to consider if you want to wake your v6 up but not get crazy with it.
What year rangers and tbirds?
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Yes, The underdrive pulleys make a difference in the bigger picture by reducing parasitic drag. Yes the true dual exhaust helps open up the system when creating files on the dyno tune. I recommend you call your local Mustang shop and run thes suggestions past them. I'm confident that they'll agree. Usually the shop will sell you the hand held tuner at the same price as anywhere else and charge about $100.00 for the 3 tunes. Good Luck! It will be a drastic change for the better. FYI- Our 7.5 rear gear sets made by Ford Racing can still be purchased from stangmods.com-
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SonicPony, I replied to your advice yesterday but evidently it didn't post. Forget exactly what I said but pretty much you answered all my questions, so thank you. That split port conversion is fascinating, I enjoy doing projects like that, and while I'm not going to do it right away it is definitly something I will consider messing with in the near future, just for the sheer fun of it. I was a little pissed when I looked up some specs and found out that the 99 v6 has 40 more hp than my 98, just my luck! That's exactly what I'm trying to get, another 40-60.
FourLoko and Robb, when you got done with the mods that you listed did you feel an obvious difference at low rpm's and, say, from 0-60? It might sound stupid but I don't need this thing to break speed records, and honestly for only having 150hp stock I'm content with how it runs now, but just looking to get some extra off the line speed to compensate for the extra weight all convertibles have. From what Sonic Pony laid out and what you guys have already done to yours, it seems that those few add ons will be enough to get it running just right (intake, coil wires plugs, pulleys, and a mild exhaust). I found a few throttle body options but even more intriguing are some universal high performance ones with adapters, and great big MAF's. I'm thinking that shoving a bunch of air down it's throat and upgrading all the spark, a good programmer will adjust it all to get the most out of everything.
With all that being said, and again, that should be enough for what I'm looking to get out of it, the little devil on my shoulder keeps whispering in my ear that I can go to a salvage yard and buy a similiar year 4.6L with body damage and swap engines, trans, and rear for cheaper than buying mods (I know it's a lot more work but my research has led me to the assumption that it's definitly do-able). I just have a bad feeling that if I were to put a v8 in it the I would just end up trying to get more out of that and a year from now my little v6 convertible will turn into some ridiculous track car. I have a habit of taking things like that to far, for example last week my Mom's 3.1L Buick Century's lower intake manifold was showing signs of failing so I overhauled her engine. Now when you take off from a stop it can smoke the tires, throw you back in the seat, and hit 60 in almost half the time it used to. I think it's great, she's not amused (although it is getting 28mpg highway). Anyway... the whole v8 swap, while it may end up actually being cheaper than beefing up the 6, is probably overkill. You all know these cars far better than I do, and if you're happy with what you've gotten from the mods we're talking about I'm going to go ahead and order them today. I keep finding myself concerned about the 3.8's lower and upper intake manifolds, are they defintely capable of handling all that extra air? I'm not doubting the performance potential of the mods themselves, but if that small plenum is going to struggle to keep up then it will defeat the purpose (or, more importantly, will it overwork the stock heads?). If there's a chance it will then I'd rather consider putting a 4.6 in it before I blow up my otherwise reliable 3.8. I apologize for the long, boring post, I'm just anxious to start ordering everything as soon as I get the unbiased go-ahead from you experts. Again, I really appreciate the input!
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What year rangers and tbirds?
I belive the mid 80s tbirds 8.8" would work..I know the 90's will, there basically the same as a mustang or a mark viii. The ranger's the same way...to be safe just stay in the mustang range 94-04.

I know the newer rangers with the FX4 II packages have the 31 spline 8.8" with a limited slip...I'm sure the old 5.0's had the same rear as the fox bodies.
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The older Rangers, I don't know if it's in the new ones came out with some tuff 4.10's that fit 8.8's. I know a couple of guys that have used them in 10 sec. Cars. And that's when they do gear changes they go to the junkyard and buy them for $50-$75 I was gonna use em but I like to ride on the highway every now and than and I don't feel like runnin 3500rpm around seventy
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Oh and in my experience(opinion) all of the bolt-on's for the V-6 only really affect the throttle response. You may get a little hp but it really won't matter without a tune and even than if you have the cold air, MAF, Underdrive pullies and the other small aftermarket bolt on's I really don't think you'll be doing as well as the V-8, but if your just wanting a street cruiser you'll prolly be able to hang with them. Oh and try the o/r x-pipe and some short tube headers, you'll make the stockers rethink piping you when your right beside them after the light turns green
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Oh and in my experience(opinion) all of the bolt-on's for the V-6 only really affect the throttle response. You may get a little hp but it really won't matter without a tune and even than if you have the cold air, MAF, Underdrive pullies and the other small aftermarket bolt on's I really don't think you'll be doing as well as the V-8, but if your just wanting a street cruiser you'll prolly be able to hang with them. Oh and try the o/r x-pipe and some short tube headers, you'll make the stockers rethink piping you when your right beside them after the light turns green
I have a cai and would like to get 65mm TB, Underdrive pulleys, gears, and tune possibly longtubes

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You'll hang as long as their stock, but I would go with the short tube headers if you haven't bought the long tube yet cause they are more for low end power not top speed. It just seems that with a V-6 your not going to beat them with speed but takeoff and being able to have quicker revs

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And remember to get that x or h-pipe. Gotta flow them gasses. Especially if your getting headers cause if you get that than its useless to flow it into a stock pipe. Some like the h-pipe but for the money I promise you'll love the x-pipe
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Oh ok cool thanks and what gears would you go with I got a 03 auto
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Oh ok cool thanks and what gears would you go with I got a 03 auto
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4.10's are awesome and you can get them out of a Ranger at a junkyard for $50-$75 but for a V-6 if it's going to be your d/d I would go with 3.73's. Unless you are going street racing all the time, which you shouldn't have bought a V-6, than you'll love it. Not crazy wild but it will put you in your seat with every shift. Oh and 4.10's are going to put a hell of a load on your engine
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Yes, when I got my small amount of bolt ons with the dyno tune & gears, it was entirely low end torque increase. 3.73 gears from Ford is what I went with. Piping your exhaust with the proper size (2.25") gives you the low end pick up. Being a V6, all I want is low end torque. I need that quick pick up speed and power to manage getting around local traffic. I don't race the car so low end torque is how I set up the car. Because it's my daily driver, I went with 3.73 gears as apposed to 4.10 set. BOTH are great! I could live with 4.10's, trust me.
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They say throttle bodys are nothing for the v6 unless u have a turbo or charger so I would hold on that
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They say throttle bodys are nothing for the v6 unless u have a turbo or charger so I would hold on that
Yeah, Split Port also I believe.
In my case, I got one for $25.00 (56mm BBK), installed it and it was on the engine when dyno tuned, so harm, no foul.
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How can you tell what gears are in the rangers? And I'm swappin in a 94 v6 because my 95 dies. Since it isn't installed yet. What would be some things I should do to get extra power and make the engine look nice? Do you know any links to show how to change the gears or would I need a new rear end? I'm like the guy who started the thread, chevy guy til I started driving my stang.
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4.10's come standard in FX4 and 2.3 liter automatic models.

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Your going to need to change your 7.5 rearend to an 8.8. I think that the rangers 8.8 rearend will bolt in place of your 7.5 but I'm not positive. If it will it will save you money on a rebuild and you could just buy the whole rear axle. I'm not positive so I'm going to do a search to make sure and I'll get back to ya
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