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Old 03-05-2012, 02:57 PM   #1
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For a first timer are balljoints hard to install? Or should I get a shop to install them? A guy told me if I'm changing the balljoints I should change the control arms too. The ball joints are squeaking and there's just a little vibration in the wheel.
Anyway I bought Steeda 2x balljoints
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is your car lowered? i thought the x2's were for lowered cars. i could be wrong though. there are sum videos on u-tune for installing. i dont think they r too hard though.
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is your car lowered? i thought the x2's were for lowered cars. i could be wrong though. there are sum videos on u-tune for installing. i dont think they r too hard though.
I'm going to eventually lower my car
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Bud changing them out is a job but not hard .. I believed if u wanted u could handle doing it..
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Damn they are for lowered cars. Guess this is my chance to lower my ride...

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So I already bought the ball joints the other day, and they come in Wednesday. I wanna know if these are good for lowering suspension...

http://www.americanmuscle.com/tokico...trut-9404.html

http://www.americanmuscle.com/h-r-sp...ngs-96-04.html

Do I even need these?

http://www.americanmuscle.com/maximu...tes-94-04.html
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wow...ur really doin it arent u wit da struts.

i dont think u need cc plates. if u use those springs. they are only 1.75 front
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wow...ur really doin it arent u wit da struts.

i dont think u need cc plates. if u use those springs. they are only 1.75 front
Damn thanks bro. That's great to know
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wow...ur really doin it arent u wit da struts.

i dont think u need cc plates. if u use those springs. they are only 1.75 front
Anything over 1" you will need CC plates.

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Damn they are for lowered cars. Guess this is my chance to lower my ride...

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So I already bought the ball joints the other day, and they come in Wednesday. I wanna know if these are good for lowering suspension...

http://www.americanmuscle.com/tokico...trut-9404.html

http://www.americanmuscle.com/h-r-sp...ngs-96-04.html

Do I even need these?

http://www.americanmuscle.com/maximu...tes-94-04.html
Yes you are going to need the plates, or you WILL eat up tires!
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mine is 2 inches... and im not using cc plates. i asked a couple ppl on here a while back, so i decided not get them and c if it drove ok...seems ok to me so far. other ppl swear by them.
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mine is 2 inches... and im not using cc plates. i asked a couple ppl on here a while back, so i decided not get them and c if it drove ok...seems ok to me so far. other ppl swear by them.
At 2 your camber is off by at least one degree. Blackedout save yourself the headache in the future and get the plates. I have a set of brand new tires sitting in my garage now that were ruined because I didn't get the CC plates. Well after having to buy new tire guess what I just bought, CC plates. Do it right, don't skimp or you will pay more in the long run.
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At 2 your camber is off by at least one degree. Blackedout save yourself the headache in the future and get the plates. I have a set of brand new tires sitting in my garage now that were ruined because I didn't get the CC plates. Well after having to buy new tire guess what I just bought, CC plates. Do it right, don't skimp or you will pay more in the long run.
did u drop ur car urself? did u drill out the rivets on the stock cc plates and move plate all the way over?

if you ate tires theres noway u did. theres enough adjustment to drop almost 1.5 on stock plates. thats y i told him he would be fine without @ 1.75

im not the only person here not running cc plates and not having issues
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did u drop ur car urself? did u drill out the rivets on the stock cc plates and move plate all the way over?

if you ate tires theres noway u did. theres enough adjustment to drop almost 1.5 on stock plates. thats y i told him he would be fine without @ 1.75

im not the only person here not running cc plates and not having issues
But you are one of the many giving bad advice....I wash my hands of this thread. Good luck Blackedout.
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But you are one of the many giving bad advice....I wash my hands of this thread. Good luck Blackedout.
Lol I'll consider it project pony thanks.
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But you are one of the many giving bad advice....I wash my hands of this thread. Good luck Blackedout.
well i am one of many without abnormal tire wear issues....

if ive done it, and it worked..succesfully. then i will suggest it to someone else. this is my second stang i dropped. the alignment guy from firestone is the one who initialy suggested it, and ive had no tire issue from either car.
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So I need spring isolators too huh??? Wow what a lot of work. But it will be worth it right? Especially that I wanna defiantly keep this car.

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What are the upper ball joint and bumper steers ?
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i would recommend the spring isolaters. itsa bit of work for sure. but u will like the way the car sits when ur done.
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i would recommend the spring isolaters. itsa bit of work for sure. but u will like the way the car sits when ur done.
Cool. I'm buying one thing at a time. Doing the complete suspension all at once. Do you recommend control arms like this dumb *** at Today's Car care recommended he never seen my car and he said he suggested it
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there are no uppers... and the bump steer kit, well... i cant explain it to u properly, but if u only go 1.75 or 1.5 front, it shouldnt b an issue for u anyway. if you were to go 2.0 it could be an issue. its not on mine, but ive heard of it.

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i personaly would not do the whole a-arm. i think he was thinkn bout your a-arm bushings if u told him it was squeakn...
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there are no uppers... and the bump steer kit, well... i cant explain it to u properly, but if u only go 1.75 or 1.5 front, it shouldnt b an issue for u anyway. if you were to go 2.0 it could be an issue. its not on mine, but ive heard of it.

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i personaly would not do the whole a-arm. i think he was thinkn bout your a-arm bushings if u told him it was squeakn...
Oh so later I should change those too those bushings

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Going to be better than new! Can't wait. It rides smooth but buy the time I get all the parts it will be better
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i wouldnt worry bout it dude... dont get ahead of urself there
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After that I'm getting some 18 staggered saleen wheels. Then the rear window louver. Gt side scoops and Gt rear bumper with the gt borla stingers exhaust Gt cat back and longtube headers and this car is done. After that I'm getting out of this rent and I'm getting me a house and saving up for whatever then.

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sounds like a plan... definatley a bad *** v6
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sounds like a plan... definatley a bad *** v6
I took out my back seats and interior and looked at the body no stress cracks and the motor runs outstanding so it should last another good 10 years. so I can save up on something faster. And maybe pass it on to my future son or daughter down the road.
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Could I just install lowering springs on my stock shocks and struts?
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I'd say depending on the springs you could just lower with them and leave your stock shocks/struts. But with the H&R SS's which are what I have I'd recommend upgrading to either Mach 1 shocks/struts or the Tokico HP's. I mean you could leave the stock ones in with the lowered springs but they will wear out quicker and then you'll be tearing into the area again to replace them..so imo it's easier to replace/upgrade everything at the same time.

Also, you may be able to get away without having to use CC plates with those springs if you use new poly isolators. My alignment guy said I probably could've gotten away with using my stock plates with my setup and I dropped ~2". But he said it was much easier to dial everything in with the adjustable 4 bolts.

So if you lower with the H&R SS's, which drop the front ~1.75, and use poly isos which will take away from the amount being dropped by ~.125-.25", so your actual drop in the front will probably be 1.5-1.65"..which might be able to be aligned using your stock plates if your aligment shop is good.

The bumpsteer kit will help control the steering after you lower. Your suspension geometry will be off balance and when you go down the road and you hit a bump, the car will jolt to one side, especially at high speeds. The adjustable bumpsteer kits will allow you to eliminate that bumpsteer and put you in control of the car again.

For $160, it's worth it to order the kit and install when you're installing everything else. Just hold off on the alignment until you install everything...no sense in paying for an alignment twice.
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I'd say depending on the springs you could just lower with them and leave your stock shocks/struts. But with the H&R SS's which are what I have I'd recommend upgrading to either Mach 1 shocks/struts or the Tokico HP's. I mean you could leave the stock ones in with the lowered springs but they will wear out quicker and then you'll be tearing into the area again to replace them..so imo it's easier to replace/upgrade everything at the same time.

Also, you may be able to get away without having to use CC plates with those springs if you use new poly isolators. My alignment guy said I probably could've gotten away with using my stock plates with my setup and I dropped ~2". But he said it was much easier to dial everything in with the adjustable 4 bolts.

So if you lower with the H&R SS's, which drop the front ~1.75, and use poly isos which will take away from the amount being dropped by ~.125-.25", so your actual drop in the front will probably be 1.5-1.65"..which might be able to be aligned using your stock plates if your aligment shop is good.

The bumpsteer kit will help control the steering after you lower. Your suspension geometry will be off balance and when you go down the road and you hit a bump, the car will jolt to one side, especially at high speeds. The adjustable bumpsteer kits will allow you to eliminate that bumpsteer and put you in control of the car again.

For $160, it's worth it to order the kit and install when you're installing everything else. Just hold off on the alignment until you install everything...no sense in paying for an alignment twice.
Might as well buy everything like previously stated. Alright thanks Brian
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I'd say depending on the springs you could just lower with them and leave your stock shocks/struts. But with the H&R SS's which are what I have I'd recommend upgrading to either Mach 1 shocks/struts or the Tokico HP's. I mean you could leave the stock ones in with the lowered springs but they will wear out quicker and then you'll be tearing into the area again to replace them..so imo it's easier to replace/upgrade everything at the same time.

Also, you may be able to get away without having to use CC plates with those springs if you use new poly isolators. My alignment guy said I probably could've gotten away with using my stock plates with my setup and I dropped ~2". But he said it was much easier to dial everything in with the adjustable 4 bolts.

So if you lower with the H&R SS's, which drop the front ~1.75, and use poly isos which will take away from the amount being dropped by ~.125-.25", so your actual drop in the front will probably be 1.5-1.65"..which might be able to be aligned using your stock plates if your aligment shop is good.

The bumpsteer kit will help control the steering after you lower. Your suspension geometry will be off balance and when you go down the road and you hit a bump, the car will jolt to one side, especially at high speeds. The adjustable bumpsteer kits will allow you to eliminate that bumpsteer and put you in control of the car again.

For $160, it's worth it to order the kit and install when you're installing everything else. Just hold off on the alignment until you install everything...no sense in paying for an alignment twice.
U did a better job than i explaining bump steer. adding the new poly isolaters took out the small amount of bump steer i had.

u also did a better job of explaining everything i had to say actually..lol.
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U did a better job than i explaining bump steer. adding the new poly isolaters took out the small amount of bump steer i had.

u also did a better job of explaining everything i had to say actually..lol.
Thanks lol

Yah depending on your setup you can get away with using certain components and skipping others. I chose not to use any isolators and dropped the car ~2" so I pretty much needed the CC plates and bumpsteer kit lol.
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i was gonna do cc plates, but the isolaters were cheaper and didnt involve re-alignment. more labor intensive breakn it all down again.. but i got more time than cash..lol.
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i was gonna do cc plates, but the isolaters were cheaper and didnt involve re-alignment. more labor intensive breakn it all down again.. but i got more time than cash..lol.
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I asked before but could I lower my ride with the stock shock and struts? In case of an Emergancy? Like if my balljoints get worse?

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And I'm dying to lower this car
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I asked before but could I lower my ride with the stock shock and struts? In case of an Emergancy? Like if my balljoints get worse?

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And I'm dying to lower this car
i dont c y not... i got stock on mine..
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Yah you can certainly lower with stock shocks/struts.

If you do a more extreme drop like 1.8-2" than eventually you'll want to upgrade to a shock/strut that matches the rate/load of the more aggressive springs.

Basically the only downside to using the stock shocks/struts when lowering ~2" is that you'll wear them out faster and you'll have to tear the area apart again to install new stuff.
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Yah you can certainly lower with stock shocks/struts.

If you do a more extreme drop like 1.8-2" than eventually you'll want to upgrade to a shock/strut that matches the rate/load of the more aggressive springs.

Basically the only downside to using the stock shocks/struts when lowering ~2" is that you'll wear them out faster and you'll have to tear the area apart again to install new stuff.
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im on the fence on the whole shock thing... as far as wearing them out quicker.. cause technicaly, i guesse when u think bout it... your actualy decreasing the rate of travel the shock has to work with lowering springs. i think that may be more true with lifting a vehicle ppast stock height with stock shocks...because then u are increasing the rate of travel for the shock.. in turn causing it to work harder cause ur increasing the overall area that it has to dampen. with lowering springs... your significantly reducing the duty cycle for the shock.

i hope wut i said makes sense to someone.. or if i wrong, someone please explain it to me..
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