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Old 11-06-2003, 08:39 AM   #1
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I am checking out V6 blocks to see about maxxed-out overbore

Does anyone have a website that mentions minimum
cylinder wall thickness for ANY engine?

I'd like to take the next build to the limit of
what the block can take without Hard-Blok
(which my machinist says is at least .060" overbore)
I measured a block and it looks great for even more,
provided I don't violate some minimum requirement.
LMK if U have anything!
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I found some info, it looks good
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lol only you could answer your question..

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I remember seeing those specs but I could not find them anywhere.

Guys if you want someone to build you a motor Robert is the guy. Even with shipping he could most likely beat the local guys in your area in price and at the same time do thing to improve performance that local guys know nothing about

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Don't make it sound that cheap Corey!

I'm just starting the V6 engine building, (I've done a shortblock 4.3
and a 4.2 reciprocating assembly so far) but I have a great machinist
that built perhaps the world's first 408 Windsor stroker, before the
stroker craze was even going good! He's really good, he has built
championship winning race engines for several in my area, from
drag race to dirt track and other roundy-round racers, 4 cyl. to Big Blocks!

He's helping me get the stroker V6 program up to speed.
I can build a reliable Power Adder capable 4.5l V6
that is very competitive with SSM's 4.3 and Morana's 4.4
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Old 11-07-2003, 08:11 AM   #6
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The 4.5 is only .030" overbored,
it becomes a 4.6 at .060" over
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Not cheap but where I live these guy plainly rip people off . Here is an example how about a v6 stock rebuild and install 3300 dollars

My problem is nothing in a stock motor is that expensive and installing a motor is one of the easiest things to do if you have the tools and equipment!!! In the past I have taken a engine out to change a clutch assemby over crawling under a car to do the work. If I did not have a place to put it on a lift
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That may not be that bad but if you do the
R&R yourself and buy your own gaskets etc.
you could spend the $3,300 on a great shorblock.
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Yes on a great short block but not a stock short block. Besides when they were finished reaming him they did not replace much just did some machining.
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Don't make it sound that cheap Corey!

I'm just starting the V6 engine building, (I've done a shortblock 4.3
and a 4.2 reciprocating assembly so far) but I have a great machinist
that built perhaps the world's first 408 Windsor stroker, before the
stroker craze was even going good! He's really good, he has built
championship winning race engines for several in my area, from
drag race to dirt track and other roundy-round racers, 4 cyl. to Big Blocks!

He's helping me get the stroker V6 program up to speed.
I can build a reliable Power Adder capable 4.5l V6
that is very competitive with SSM's 4.3 and Morana's 4.4
RGR what route are you planning on going for our project?
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Old 11-07-2003, 09:12 AM   #11
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Well, there's a choice for you.
We could do a big bore or stroker,
I like the bigger bore and 4.2 crank (it's here!)

I like the bigger bore for performance, the
4.2 crank alone is lots of stroke, and if you
really want to slay existing HP records, IMO
a big bore & 4.2 crank is gonna be great.
It can rev higher and breath better with the
big bore, and the heads can be matched to the
bore for max flow. I was leaning that way,
bore it at least 60 over. Custom pistons
are the same price regardless of size.

I'm just thinking of making all my own
custom intakes, I was gonna ship some
business to SSM but Tom never answered
my email or returned my call

They have a good custom upper, but I was
making them long before they did and I can
make them totally custom for a specific combo.
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Ok,
Well that sounds good.

Ill be having you do my intakes and heads as well.
As for a block, I cant remember you said you had a SC block right?
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Yes, SC block

That with a big bore, 4.2 crank, and BV heads will rock!
Forged rods and pistons makes it PA ready 8)
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Alrighty, ill be buying it after my girlfriend decides to stop spening my money on other people!

How much is it? I might bebale to give you some here and there so she doesnt notice...
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It was gonna be included in the whole shortblock,
I did not get a separate price.
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ah alrighty.
Sweet.

We need to start making the plans all full proof so i can start giving you some money!
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kewl.

I have a plan
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Write it up and email budddddy!
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hey RGR, i think we need to get Charles(aka smokedya) to come to indy, then we can all meet up.
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Just clarifying, but you want to bore it /at least/ .060 over AND blow it? Are we talking 5-6psi or whatever boost forged pistons/rods can hold, like we can on a stock bore 3.8l? I'd be mightly surprised to see a 10-11psi blower not jack the heck out of a 3.8 bored .060 over. Are you planning on stroking it to 4.2l only?

For ****s and giggles, if you got some spare components laying around, why don't you try stroking it to 4.6l and bore .060 over and try to get 4.9-5.0l and run a modest n/a.
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Just clarifying, but you want to bore it /at least/ .060 over AND blow it? Are we talking 5-6psi or whatever boost forged pistons/rods can hold, like we can on a stock bore 3.8l? I'd be mightly surprised to see a 10-11psi blower not jack the heck out of a 3.8 bored .060 over. Are you planning on stroking it to 4.2l only?

For ****s and giggles, if you got some spare components laying around, why don't you try stroking it to 4.6l and bore .060 over and try to get 4.9-5.0l and run a modest n/a.
60 over is quite safe on the block I measured,
and JW has done it before. I would have no
qualms at boosting a 60 over block.

I worked up a blueprint for a huge stroker, it would require
NA only pistons, (short pin height) but I believe it is fully
doable. JW has built engines with the same deck height
to have OVER a 4" stroke. I can't show all my cards yet guys
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ok, TTT.

i have a '94 CPI shortblock, well, it's almost a longblock save one head...
i am looking to rebuild it JUST to get it running (crappy pistons, etc). then, i'm going to pull my '00 motor and give it the works. that's the plan, at least.

i need guidance, and i'm not sure what to do. i would rather build up my '00 block than the 10 year old '94, what do you think?

either way i think i will take you up on it RGR and have the 94 bored 60 over.
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I'd sonic check the 94. I measured an 89 block and
it has very thick cyl. walls, maybe this was carried
thru on the 94. 60 over is very safe IMO. Even blown.
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Yes, that's the plan. What would you suggest I do though in this situation, build the '94 since it's already out of the car, or do like I said above? I have never built an engine before and would *like* to have some sort of practice.
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get the 94 block sonic checked. if the walls are thick enough
it will be OK to use in a big-bore setup. Why stop at 60 over ?
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like i said, what would you suggest for a build up, an 80k mi old 10 year old block or a four year old 45k mi block?

from your experience, should i build the '94 up if it is an ok block, or get it running and swap motors out and use the '00 for my build up.
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also, why do you say not to stop at 60 over, wouldn't anything more need resleeving.. i def dont' have the money to waste on something like that.
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Instead of overbore, what is required to get a block that can take some heavy duty boost?
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4.2 main caps, or similar, girdle, what else?
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I wasn't thinking boosting on an overbore, I'd want that extra block thickness.
Main issue is the pistons and the bottom blowing out, right? turbochargers are getting the best results on the v8 platform now anyway.
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4.2l aren't bored, they are just stroked 3.8's... the 4.2 maincaps are just that... you can have them on any block. first weakness is the pistons. i haven't experienced it myself but crank and rod are next in line.
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ah,ok. I wasn't thinking about that right. Please have some patience.

Well with the morana parts, Dan was running almost 18 psi. Forged piston/rod but he doesn't mention what they did in the rebuild.

Basically I want a street reliable build, I don't need a track car, but I don't want the bottom blowing out.. these guys on long island by me do turbo work, but I want to know what is common sense ina turbo build before I have them do it..

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make a new thread about it.
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like i said, what would you suggest for a build up, an 80k mi old 10 year old block or a four year old 45k mi block?

from your experience, should i build the '94 up if it is an ok block, or get it running and swap motors out and use the '00 for my build up.
Like I said before, if it checks out well on the sonic, it will
be OK to use, but the 00 block is supposed to be stronger
in the main web area. So maybe you want to get the 94 running
cheaply then use the 00 block.
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how do you check stock used pistons to see if they are ok to use?

how much and where can i find cheap new and used ford stock pistons?
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