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Old 04-23-2012, 09:23 PM   #1
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Windstar or tuner D:

I've been saving up for a while, and I finally almost have the money for either a windstar intake manifold or a tuner. I've wanted to do the windstar intake prety much since I got the car, idk why but I've really been looking forward to this modd, but then again, I know that I will eventually need a tuner, so I just want some opinions from people that have either of these
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Old 04-23-2012, 09:28 PM   #2
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Windstar... More gains on our v6. Unless you have gears or a long tubes or something like that or you plan to have those very soon.
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Personally, I would get the tuner. It is a mod that you can really build off of. Also if you have an auto the tuner will adjust shift points and give you even more bang for your buck.
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Old 04-23-2012, 09:32 PM   #4
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Mines a stick, and this would prety much be my first performance bolt on, besides my CAI that would have to come off anyway. So I think a tuner on a stock engine wouldn't Realy do as much as the windstar right? And I'm sure I'll get the tuner later down the road
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The sum of both mods together will be much more impressive than one or the other. You should tune the car to get the most from the intake, and yes, with a stock car the tuner itself won't make a huge difference. But I would go with the tuner still, just in case the stock computer has issues adjusting to the intake.
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:47 PM   #6
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:48 PM   #7
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I personally would do a tuner. You can do a lot more with it, adjust for gears, octane, shift points, intakes exhaust, emissions and lots more. Plus I wouldn't throw down on the Windstar. The only benefit of the Windstar intake is longer intake runners which boost your torque numbers. Well you can buy a intake spacer(which would do the same thing, lengthen out your stock intake runners)from supersixmotorsports for cheaper and with out having to mess with all the adapter plates. The same thing just easier and cheaper. So I would do the tuner first and buy the spacer.
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:52 AM   #8
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Wat mods u got
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Old 04-24-2012, 04:11 AM   #9
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Re: Windstar or tuner D:

From personal experience I can say that if I was to do it again I would do what I already did... tuner first, Windstar second.

I remember when I called Bama to ask if I needed a new tune for the Windstar and the guy said "nope". He also said that he drove a New Edge with a Windstar for a few years. He promised me that I would never regret the intake swap, and so far he is right!

Just sharing my thoughts...

Edit: My windstar added 4 mpg city and 4 mpg highway. Drive far enough at $4.00 per gallon and the windstar pays for itself eventually.
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Old 04-24-2012, 07:19 AM   #10
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Haha, good point with the mpg's, I deliver pizza do it will definately pay for itself soon enough
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:49 AM   #11
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But would a spacer do the same thing? From what I read the only difference is the longer intake runners and you can get that with a spacer.
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It has shorter short tubes too
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Old 04-24-2012, 10:17 AM   #13
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It's not the same spacer and Windstar are two different thing. I have a spacer love it but when it comes to higher rpm I'm sure a Windstar will still have power while and spacer doesn't offer any power
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Old 04-24-2012, 10:28 AM   #14
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I know they're literally two different things but the difference between the Windstar and our stock intake is the Windstar has longer intake runners. So wouldn't installing a VAP intake spacer technically be the same as installing the Windstar? Cuz that spacer is just gonna lengthen the intake runners.
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Old 04-24-2012, 10:32 AM   #15
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Yes but the spacer is only a inch. Maybe two inches might have full Windstar effect plus the Windstar is lighter so you lose weight on the front end.
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Old 04-24-2012, 10:38 AM   #16
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Cuz both our stock intake and the Windstar have two intake runners per cylinder. The shorter one for higher rpm and the longer one for lower rpm. So if you get a Windstar intake(which has longer intake runners) then you will be adding power but changing you power curve a little. So, on paper, if you take a intake with shorter intake runners(our stock intakes) and add a spacer between the upper and lower intake manifolds, increasing the distance between the two, thus increasing the over all length of the intake runners. Then you will end up with a manifold with longer intake runners(Windstar or sock intake with a spacer). If I missed something just tell me, cuz really this is what it seems to me.

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How much longer are the intake runners on the Windstar?
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Old 04-24-2012, 10:54 AM   #17
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Like I said I think weight lose is also include and Windstar is a different material so it cools the air which means more people.
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:04 AM   #18
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Idk if it cools the air but the composite wouldnt soak up the heat as fast. Idk, to me it seems if the only thing goin to bat for the Windstar is weight savings, then I'll just but the spacer and use what's left to have the upper and lower ported and polished. You can get the same power gains that way. Plus I can ceramic coat my upper and lower manifold with heatbarrier. Its a coating that keeps heat from absorbing into metals.
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:05 PM   #19
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The short runners are shorter than stock!!!
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:09 PM   #20
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The short runners on the Windstar? Really then there would be a benefit.

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Cool well that's good to know. From what I heard the windstars runners were just generally longer but shorter shorts and longer longs would be a better set up. I'm wrong then lol
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:48 PM   #21
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And you get a 65mm throttle body lol
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:09 PM   #22
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Is our 55?
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:59 PM   #23
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Not sure what stock is, but I know 65 is the aftermarket size
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:13 PM   #24
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Re: Windstar or tuner D:

i would personally get the windstar then they tuner cause the tuner might help at first but you need a few bolt ons then a tuner to feel a difference in power gains.
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:15 AM   #25
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Re: Windstar or tuner D:

Another important thing for you to consider regarding the Windstar upper intake is the overall shape of the intake compared to the stock Mustang split port... The air on the aluminum Mustang intake has to go all the way to the rear of the engine compartment, make a sharp turn and then be drawn towards the front of the engine whereas the Windstar intake is fed from the front and feeds air to the rear. The path appears to be a little straighter which I believe makes a difference in how the engine breathes.

A turbo or a supercharger negates this discussion.

On a side note: when I ordered my Windstar from VAP I opted for the 65mm throttle body. $30 well spent!
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:52 AM   #26
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That's what I plan on doing
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Old 04-25-2012, 10:39 AM   #27
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Yeah the 65mm might be better cuz eventually I wanna do the 4.3 stroker.
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Re: Windstar or tuner D:

and the windstar you should obviously doesnt fit under a stock hood either.
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Yea.. It does
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Re: Windstar or tuner D:

manafold and all?

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nvm, looked it up. i thought the manafold sat too high. my mistake.
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The kit makes everything fit perfectly
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Re: Windstar or tuner D:

mine hit my hood a little bit but removal of the insulation cured it...
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:30 AM   #33
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The new kit has a angled throttle body spacer so it points down, out of the way
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Re: Windstar or tuner D:

Do you have any other mods? if your already running trual duals you might need a tune after windstar from the increased air flow of both.
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Do you have any other mods? if your already running trual duals you might need a tune after windstar from the increased air flow of both.
You don't need a tune for the windstar... I emailed Steve and asked. This is his response.

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There is no need to tune your car after the install. Although a tuner is a great mod and has excellent gains on its own.
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