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Old 05-12-2012, 07:03 PM   #1
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More top end

So I went to the track last night for the first time and I did ok for my first time but experienced first hand that my 97 has no top end. I had great times till I passed the 1/8mile mark. So I'm wondering what people have done to fix or help this problem.
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What are your mods
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Old 05-12-2012, 07:18 PM   #3
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Screaming demon coil, bbk under drive pulleys, cold air intake, 2.5" x-pipe with high flow cats with magnaflow exhaust
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Old 05-12-2012, 08:51 PM   #4
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I would say a split port will help you and then add a Windstar. If you want to keep the engine work little.tuner,gears will help
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Re: More top end

cams. cams. cams.

after my tune im now redlining a lot later, and the top end is a huge noticeable difference!
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:09 PM   #6
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I have an 8.8 rear with 3:73 in it sitting in my garage just waiting to get new rear control arms before I install and I will get the tuner once I get it in to fix the speedometer

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cams. cams. cams.

after my tune im now redlining a lot later, and the top end is a huge noticeable difference!
Will a cam make a big difference with stock heads and the few bolt on's I have now?
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A spilt port swap alone will get you at least 40hp... Seriously.

No tq gains btw though..
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If I do the swap is it just changing the upper and lower intake?
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If I do the swap is it just changing the upper and lower intake?
Pretty much... Do a google search and I'm sure you'll come up with a good writeup for it. Also shouldn't cost more than $250. I think you will need a tune though, not sure
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What was ur time out there

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I have the same set as u only msd wires with it just got a tuner and man its way faster loving it
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I have Taylor 8mm wires. I made 4 runs on street tires 17.6, 17.3, 17.2 and 19.1 because I spun the tires off the line
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Old 05-12-2012, 10:25 PM   #12
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Get the tuner makes,a big diffrence felt like I had a v8 my ciz gots a 5.0 gears cai and and he just a chip me and him bama chips ohh man get
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Yea I'm getting mine as soon as I put the new rear in. Hopefully in the next month
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Im doing gears and posi next
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Rear end wise what years are compatible with my 2000 mustang?

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94-04?
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Yea I'm pretty sure 94-04 all bolt up the same
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Rear end wise what years are compatible with my 2000 mustang?

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94-04?
99-04 to keep your width. 94-98 was slightly narrower.
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If I do the swap is it just changing the upper and lower intake?
No not just upper and lower intake the heads got to be along with it.. But 40-45 hp gain doing so.. And there are plenty u can pick up at a salvage yard for cheap.. While off you can P&P them Plus the windstar upper u can pick up as well from a 96-98 ford windstar van or get the kit from VAP.com

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Also 98 explorers with 5.0 got 373 posi that will bolt up as well
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Yea I found the full list of the stuff I would need to do the split swap and I think I am just going to wait till this winter and either do the 4.2 swap with the power pack from SSMS or just add the 3.8 power pack to my motor I have now.
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Sounds like a plan! I'm just gonna put my 5.0 in mine with my six goes so I'm not getting all that done I got the Windstar upper.. P&P heads and lower.. C.A.I... 10.2 wires.. NGK plugs.. MSD coil pack.. 94-98 shorty headers ... Got a turbo system just ain't got it on .. No longer have my y pipe for to connect my headers..
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Sounds like a nice setup. This winter is going to be serious motor work time. If I can't get a cheap 4.2 before November I'm pulling my 3.8 out and tearing it down and adding a bunch of stuff
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Older f150 had a lot of 4.2 in them so there u a start if I didn't know .. I can get a 4.2 that needs to be rebuilt but I decide if I doing a swap or anything major I just dropping serious power going for big dog only thing I got to decide is if I want to keep it EFI or go carbureted
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Yea I can get one from the junk yard for $80-$100 and I'm going to strip it down and rebuild either way just trying to stay budget friendly unless something big happens and I could afford a crate motor then I would go that route but I don't see that happening any time soon. Haha
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Sh*t I hear you budget friendly is my friend lol
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Re: More top end

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No not just upper and lower intake the heads got to be along with it.. But 40-45 hp gain doing so.. And there are plenty u can pick up at a salvage yard for cheap.. While off you can P&P them Plus the windstar upper u can pick up as well from a 96-98 ford windstar van or get the kit from VAP.com

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Also 98 explorers with 5.0 got 373 posi that will bolt up as well
You got this all wrong, for the split port swap it's not just a simple swapping out the heads and intakes, you also have to custom make a fuel rail to fit around the intakes. you'll also need the inductuction tube, throttle body and throttle cable as well. And finally this all depends on if you keep the EGR running, but you'll need at that stuff too if you want to keep it.

Also, Ford has stopped producing the 7.5" t-lok so your only option for a t-lok is the 8.8" I would recommend 3.73's in a 8.8"

If you want more top end, you're going to have to do either 1 of 2 things. 1. go FI or 2. get a custom upper intake. The stock single port intake, no matter how much you port it will NOT support that much top end. I discovered this out after having a custom polyhoned intake with a 60mm TB. It netted me 218rwhp which is not bad, but that seemed to be the limit. 218rwhp is roughly 255bhp which is just over 100 more than stock. Still not too bad. This forced me to design and make my own upper intake and now i use the 96 GT upper plenum which comes with a 65mm TB, but can easily use a 70mm TB with no other modification. If you would like to buy my old upper intake with the 60mm TB, i'll sell that to you for $100. I hope that helps.
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Old 05-14-2012, 02:56 PM   #26
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I didn't say it was simple those just parts I knew he needed

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Also instead of saying I was wrong you could have just added in the parts I missed out on and if u don't mind post another picture of your custom upper I have seen it before I believe would like to see it again

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Ah I see it over in the other thread mighty nice
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You got this all wrong, for the split port swap it's not just a simple swapping out the heads and intakes, you also have to custom make a fuel rail to fit around the intakes. you'll also need the inductuction tube, throttle body and throttle cable as well. And finally this all depends on if you keep the EGR running, but you'll need at that stuff too if you want to keep it.

Also, Ford has stopped producing the 7.5" t-lok so your only option for a t-lok is the 8.8" I would recommend 3.73's in a 8.8"

If you want more top end, you're going to have to do either 1 of 2 things. 1. go FI or 2. get a custom upper intake. The stock single port intake, no matter how much you port it will NOT support that much top end. I discovered this out after having a custom polyhoned intake with a 60mm TB. It netted me 218rwhp which is not bad, but that seemed to be the limit. 218rwhp is roughly 255bhp which is just over 100 more than stock. Still not too bad. This forced me to design and make my own upper intake and now i use the 96 GT upper plenum which comes with a 65mm TB, but can easily use a 70mm TB with no other modification. If you would like to buy my old upper intake with the 60mm TB, i'll sell that to you for $100. I hope that helps.
So if I buy your old upper what else do I have to do to make it work on my car?
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Hey stallion what did u have on ur single port v6 to get 218 I need some help
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Stangmods.com still has the till for the 7.5 rear I just got it friday
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So if I buy your old upper what else do I have to do to make it work on my car?
You will have to cut and splice your throttle body wires to use the 60mm TB, but that's up to you. But everthing else is a direct bolt on.

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Hey stallion what did u have on ur single port v6 to get 218 I need some help
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- 60mm TB
- P&P upper and lower intakes
- 224/230 cam
- Custom Big Valve heads
- MAC shorty headers
- O/R H-pipe with 40 flows
- Custom Tune with SCT

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Stangmods.com still has the till for the 7.5 rear I just got it friday
Awesome, get them while they last then.

If any of you guys live near KC, let me know i'll help you put the mods on.
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Re: More top end

heres a question for you Rob, if i install the Long Rod 4.3 Stroker Kit would i need a tune or anything else for it to work properly?
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it cost me a little over 3000 to get that rotating assembly in a 3.8 block so really your just better off buying the block w/o the heads intakes and other crap cuz its around 4 grand it took me a week to find an engine builder to do it. If you can install it yourself then it be worth it to just get the kit but if your like me and had to source out the labor just buy the block like i said if i were to do it again i would do exactly that.
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i would do the work myself
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How much does it cost to get ur upper and lowee r intake ported
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heres a question for you Rob, if i install the Long Rod 4.3 Stroker Kit would i need a tune or anything else for it to work properly?
Nope shouldn't need a tune at all. The stroker kit will increase your torque not so much your horsepower. You may see 5-10 HP gains but will see roughly 30-40 tq. But a tune never hurt. That's why I got the sct racers package.
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