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Old 09-09-2012, 12:56 AM   #1
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now lets talk pure street corner carving....we will start with suspension work

now for a budget build i just cut oem springs. you will gain your lower center of gravity this way without shelling out the cash on stiffer lowering springs.. i usually cut a new edge at 1.25 coils off the front and 1 coil off the back. gives you a good stance, but it really does shift weight nicely when you corner. (average drop is 1.5" on the front and 1" on the back)

next comes shocks...now here for a budget build i'd look into Tokico Blues...to me they are the best bang for the buck. good overall shock for what you want out of the car.

now while you're in there check all tie rods, and ball joints...nows the time to get them replaced if they are bad. also feel free to replace your sway bar bushings with polyurathane to stiffen it up a bit. you can fine universal bushings at any autoparts (usually a set will cost less then $15 if you're just talking the sway bar alone)

when getting the car aligned after the drop don't get a zero camber setup. i'd leave it at negative 1-2 degrees...this will help the car keep as much contact with the road in a corner. you should be able to achieve this as is with the stock setup. now if you went lower then 1.5" you'll need either camber bolts or cast & camber plates...not cheap, but well if you want it that low you have to fix it right. (camber bolts can be found at any autoparts)

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ok so now your car is lowered...keeping with the budget build you decide to press on..so you want to stiffen the ride up a bit. What's this your car doesn't have a rear sway bar like a GT. Thanks Ford...don't worry we can fix that. any 95-04 GTs rear sway will be a direct bolt on for your car. there are two types hollow and solid bars...they really are mixed throughout the years so just check before purchase...solid will of course be the stronger of the two.

if you don't have a windstar or roots style blower under the hood good news. you can have a strut tower brace for cheap. 94-95 GTs came with them stock. usually they can be found at salvage or parts yards. you'll have to drill three holes in each strut tower but it'll fit in the end and stiffen the front up a bit.

want to take it a bit further...rear shock tower brace. you can buy one for $100 online or build one for around $30-40. Any metal shop can fab one up quick. i built mine out of a panhard bar since the length reaches tower to tower perfectly. of course pics will be coming after i finish typing. this bar keeps the car from flexing in a corner big time and you will feel the difference in a hard turn.

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at this point you car is now handling pretty well, but you're probably noticing that it's not gripping the road like you want. Tires...you want a good gripping tire. i'll get into tire ratings later on in the thread, but for now just know that you don't have to pay for top names to always have a good tire. i run Kumo Exige...they are all season tires that grip the road with a vengeance...you can also have them in a 245/45/17 for less then $90 a tire..way less then bigger names like Nitto but great none the less.

speaking of tires a lot of guys love a wide back tire on our cars....that's great and all but i enjoy running the same size front and back...being able to rotate your tires is great for a corner carver on a budget because you can get the full life out of a set of rubber.

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now the biggest thing after all that suspension and stiffeing work is brakes...which as we all know can get pricey when talking big brake kits...never fear there are good setups for the budge build.

Brake lines are the first thing i'd replace...in fact i'd replace them on a bone stock car that'll never see a hard track day. Stainless Steel (SS) lines are worth the $70-80 a set you'll pay...i run Goodridge Gstop lines...they alone gave me much better braking feedback after install. Rubber lines over time will weaken and can cause your calipers to lock up mid brake or before you ever get to use them. Believe me the last thing you want to feel when running on a road course is spongy brakes..you're pretty much done for until your fluid cools down and the lines firm back up. so invest in these

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after lines i'd look into pads...i personal favorite pads for the money are Hawk Ceramic pads...a good performance pad that'll help stop you when needed.

rotors...eh alot of guys like slotted or drilled rotors. on a budget build unidirectionals work just as well. just make sure they are vented and you'll keep everything cool

now after all that line swapping you'll need to add fluid and bleed the system. you have two options

a. replace with DOT 3 and call it a day
b. flush the entire system and upgrade to DOT 5.1....its boiling point is much higer so you won't have to worry about the fluid quality when pushing it

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at this point your budget build has set you back probably around $800 maybe even less if you're good at finding used parts. you should be able to now push your car further then ever before and you'd be surprised at how much faster your underpowered sixxer can now go through the twisties.

pictures will follow tomorrow along with the top end build. i will also be adding links and average prices to each
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Yes! Now instead of reading your post about this everywhere else i can just look here!
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Re: Corner Carving Thread

Very nice write up...I will suggest that this thread be made a sticky in this v6 section.
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and more to come...joey can you pm me pictures of your rear sway before and after install along with the rear shock tower you had made?
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and more to come...joey can you pm me pictures of your rear sway before and after install along with the rear shock tower you had made?
Yeah i can, i just dont have a before shot but i can send what i have now with it on, it also cost about $30 something but would have been about $25 but i had the get it changed up
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yeah i'll work that in once i finish up the budget build one...that and the top tier stuff...basically i want people to have the chance to have fun no matter how much money they have.
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yeah i'll work that in once i finish up the budget build one...that and the top tier stuff...basically i want people to have the chance to have fun no matter how much money they have.
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always good...it's nice that even beginners can have something to be proud of when all is said and done when it comes to modding. our sixxers might not be fast on a straight line, but i can tell you know i outrun my friends much more powerful cars on the corners
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always good...it's nice that even beginners can have something to be proud of when all is said and done when it comes to modding. our sixxers might not be fast on a straight line, but i can tell you know i outrun my friends much more powerful cars on the corners
Damn straight.
These sixxers are light and great for cornering.
Just takes a little money an practice!
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Thats what im planning, i already got my rear sway bar and rear shock tower brace for about $60... i know its not the order he said to get them in but im making my way to the complete build next im looking for a used strut tower brace and if i have no luck finding one imma buy the chrome one from am then springs... gonna try to cut them and if i dont like the ride just buy some
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my order isn't really a step by step...whatever comes easier to start with is perfect from perfect to perfect
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my order isn't really a step by step...whatever comes easier to start with is perfect from perfect to perfect
I get you, since im a college student im doing mine check by check an its hard to choose what to do next for me but i know what ever i go with imma be happy with
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I'm looking at cutting springs today.
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I'm looking at cutting springs today.
Why not try "heating them," I believe is the correct term
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Why not try "heating them," I believe is the correct term
Same thing tho? I've heard cutting a lot more than heating tho
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Same thing tho? I've heard cutting a lot more than heating tho
Ah, how much are you wanting to cut?
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Heating? Heat +springs = bad. That's why we use cut off wheels instead of torches
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Ah, how much are you wanting to cut?
1.5 front
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Heating? Heat +springs = bad. That's why we use cut off wheels instead of torches
How so? The bad part of using a torch and what not

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Nice. Can't wait to see it
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The heat can mess up the temper of

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The heat can mess up the temper of the springs that's why everyone says to use a metal or bi metal cut off wheel
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Why not try "heating them," I believe is the correct term
Never cut a spring using a torch. You will mess the temper and destroy its rate. Use a cut off wheel to do the job properly if you do not have access to a band saw
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The heat can mess up the temper of the springs that's why everyone says to use a metal or bi metal cut off wheel
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Never cut a spring using a torch. You will mess the temper and destroy its rate. Use a cut off wheel to do the job properly if you do not have access to a band saw
Ah ok I see. Now I know what to say when the conversation comes up
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sadly the site won't let me edit the posts to add pictures so i'll add them here. sorry for the delay my work schedule has been hectic.

now cut springs before & after



rear sway


rear shock tower brace


strut tower brace (granted this is my old GT, but the brace is from a 94-95 GT)


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Re: Corner Carving Thread

I cut corners, brake without front dips, and wheels are planted firmly to the road over bumps and holes during straight away speeds and transitional bumps while carving corners. This weekend I am ordering a set of sway bars, followed by a set of subframe connectors. Steeda makes a heavy duty front sway bar that people swear by when racing and hitting corners. Rear sway bar, I haven't make a choice yet. My current set-up rides smooth & soft, not bouncy, not stiff at all.
Current Parts List: ***Springs and shocks/struts are Fox Body
*Maximum Motorsports C/C plates.
*KYB shocks/struts.
*FRPP "B" springs
*Steeda X2 balljoints.
*Maximum Motorsports bumpsteer kit.
*Maximum Motorsports strut tower brace.
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I highly recommend taking the car to a Mustang shop or a speed shop for the alignment. Bumpsteer kits and lowered Mustangs take an experienced shop to align perfectly.
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Im going to try and start the top tier build list when i get off work...looking good robb
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Quick reference information to assist in decision making.
Ford Mustang (94-04).
BACK FRONT (lbs/in)
FRPP:
B- 425/530 200/300
C- 650 200/300
F- 460/570 170/310
G- 460/570 200/250
BBK:
650 250
Steeda:
650 250
Eibach Pro Kit:
456/570 200/251
Eibach Sportline:
425/550 200/251
H&R Sport:
490/575 250/285
H&R Race:
750/850 260/280
Vogtland:
440 552
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Quick reference information to assist in decision making.
Ford Mustang (94-04).
BACK FRONT (lbs/in)
FRPP:
B- 425/530 200/300
C- 650 200/300
F- 460/570 170/310
G- 460/570 200/250
BBK:
650 250
Steeda:
650 250
Eibach Pro Kit:
456/570 200/251
Eibach Sportline:
425/550 200/251
H&R Sport:
490/575 250/285
H&R Race:
750/850 260/280
Vogtland:
440 552
you got the listing i was adding to the next section lol. well as long as it gets posted thats what matters. btw if anyone else has any valid info feel free to add. remember though in you posts this is a sticky so lets keep it tech and not just fun
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Adjustable sets can be a bit of overkill for street use, unless of course you want more options to play with while cruising
Shocks and struts:
*Maximum Motorsports (High quality)
*Koni
*Bilstein
*Strange Engineering
*Tokico
*Eibach
*Lakewood
*Steeda
Great stuff! Have fun! Research thoroughly. X2's are great balljoints. Bumpsteer kits are a safety measure to prevent the car hopping & shifting within lane. Have fun!
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This thread is awesome.

My setup will be;
  • Tubular AutoX K from Team Z
  • Strange Coilover Double Adjustable shocks/struts with 300lb springs in front and 200lb springs in the rear
  • 8.8" SRA w/GT500 Diff, 31 spline axles and 3.73's
  • Feys2 Watt's link
  • Stiffler's Sub-Frame system
  • Front Strut Tower Brace
  • Rear Shock Tower Brace
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