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Old 07-28-2008, 01:39 PM   #246
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Re: 8.8 or 9" rear?

i already argued with the wall, it understands my point now...and quit arguing back.
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... so i wonder if i should get an 8.8 or 9" rear... i mean.... that is what the thread is about.......right?



you can go plenty fast enough on a 8.8. we've proven that with my buddies car. if your going for all out race, a 9 in is stronger and you can get pro-gear sets for it vs the motorsport gears for the 8.8.
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you can go plenty fast enough on a 8.8. we've proven that with my buddies car. if your going for all out race, a 9 in is stronger and you can get pro-gear sets for it vs the motorsport gears for the 8.8.
u havent proved **** until its put behind a eaton...V6
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Ok, I agree it's like talking to a wall. I didn't believe that two guys who told me about this thread prior to seeing it. The talk of M112's and turbos might be getting crossed. 600 out of the M112 is possible - but that maxes it out. I'm working on a Whipple upgrade for mine. With a turbo set up, the guys are seeing the 850-900 flywheel numbers out of their Sixers.

The 18 hp per psi was in relation to the M112 set up. The post made using the 18 hp per psi number for a stock V6 added to a stock V6 hp figure is great. Of course you aren't going to add it up to a Cobra sized number. What does that have to do with making 600 hp in a modded V6? Nothing.

Nobody has ever claimed to make 600 hp on a stock V6. On a 100% stock motor right now 450 rwhp is doable. Given the cost of the car, plus what it took to make that, you are at more rwhp than the 030/04 Cobra at much less cost total. I prefer to save money on stuff, so to me that is the way to go. My point is people saying big power couldn't be made with a V6. But that is wrong info.

And the old saying of there is no replacement for displacement coming from a 4.6L guy is ironic at best. If that were true, a 4.6L displacement motor wouldn't have replaced the larger 5.0L displacement motor right?
Tech and knowledge is the displacement replacement.

I don't think I'll ever sway a die hard V8 owner into a V6. But I know I will spend my money on what gets my car to where I need it... and for me it's best done in the V6.
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im in no way a die hard v8 owner, im looking for a 99 v6 to run forced induction on, thinking of an eaton just to see how it does.buyt the comment was made that an eaton on a v6 makes more power than an eaton on a cobra
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don't think anyone ever said you couldn't make bigg power with v6's. i used to have a v6 in my dakota, till i melted a piston on 100 shot. been havin v8's ever since. all comes down to personal preference on what you want to buid. yes you could buy a v6 cheap and have alot more money in mod money vs just goin buy a cobra for 25k. very valid point. the main argument i have is when your sayin that the same blower that goes on a v8 makes more power when put on a v6 because it makes more pressure my opinion is that a turbo is the way to go on smaller motors. from what i've heard of kyles combo he wants to do, he should have a beast of a car. and i'll give him much props for havin and building it. (at the same time rag him about still havin a v6)
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mad props he'll get from me as well, to take something and make a unique idea.
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Ok well, from what I've read on other forums, the biggest issue the SVT guys have with the V6 M112 set up is the power it's making, and they all whine and complain that the dyno #'s are faked.
They say that they can only make 600 to the wheels with one... therefor a V6 can't make that much with one. Also, people like to say Eatons aren't good blower to use anyway. I figure if I can buy a $2800 M112 kit and slap it on my $3000 split port V6 to make 400 hp in an afternoon, why not? A daily driver able $5800 car with 400 hp and all the bells and whistles the newer SN95. Spend $300 on s forged Super Coupe bottom end and up the boost with a $30 pulley to make as much power as anyone would ever need on the street.... even better.

I think Kyle's new set up will be stellar. I like turbo set ups. They just didn't suit my needs as well as a positive displacement blower. My weakest point was low end tq... I need TONS of it. I wanted full tq at my wheels by the time I hit 3K. That is why this roots set up even came about.
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Ok well, from what I've read on other forums, the biggest issue the SVT guys have with the V6 M112 set up is the power it's making, and they all whine and complain that the dyno #'s are faked.
I dunno about you but this is the most legit dyno chart I could find...

I mean, almost 9,000!


but in all seriousness... why so serious?

Kyle's set up will be great, and I can't wait to see how it runs. But ummm... if this Eaton idea is SOOO amazing... i think there'd be way more people doing it, since a lot of the cobra owners part with their eatons for whipples/kbs/hellions tts, and there would be write ups on it all.


earlier i stated i couldn't find much if anything on the INTERWEBZ (cuz its true if its on the interwebz so yes, that dyno graph is true bishes), buttttttttttt, you haven't even shown us a dyno chart. i mean your like Godsend of it, and u can't back it up with a chart, a video, a sexy babe, or an airplane.
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^^nice dyno chart find.
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no **** huh...
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Re: 8.8 or 9" rear?

I feel stupid i just wasted so much of my air reading this ****.....
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I think thats the best dyno chart ive ever seen.
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Ok well, from what I've read on other forums, the biggest issue the SVT guys have with the V6 M112 set up is the power it's making, and they all whine and complain that the dyno #'s are faked.
They say that they can only make 600 to the wheels with one... therefor a V6 can't make that much with one. Also, people like to say Eatons aren't good blower to use anyway. I figure if I can buy a $2800 M112 kit and slap it on my $3000 split port V6 to make 400 hp in an afternoon, why not? A daily driver able $5800 car with 400 hp and all the bells and whistles the newer SN95. Spend $300 on s forged Super Coupe bottom end and up the boost with a $30 pulley to make as much power as anyone would ever need on the street.... even better.

I think Kyle's new set up will be stellar. I like turbo set ups. They just didn't suit my needs as well as a positive displacement blower. My weakest point was low end tq... I need TONS of it. I wanted full tq at my wheels by the time I hit 3K. That is why this roots set up even came about.


for street driving, yes a eaton blower will make more tq than a turbo, guess it depends on what your lookin for. turbo will make more power, hands down, but they do lack the instant tq of a blower. i prefer a lil lack of bottom end, because it won't blow the tires off as easilly, can ya tell i street race?
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Re: 8.8 or 9" rear?

also there are ways of routing certain pipes and recirculating boost to make bottomend power with a turbo, little something i learned from madman...but it only works at the track, on the street the car stays out of boost and get good gas mileage still. +1 on lack of torque, you see so many roots style cobras with 600hp running 12s because they cant hook the bottomend tq, turbos ease the power in...i can see this being less of a problem on a v6. but kyles car can blow the tires and its a mild bolt-on v6 auto, so id rather him ease the boost in.and with a stall converter on kyles car and the way the piping will be set-up. itll be making boost at stall before he even leaves the line.

i agree with having a budget 400hp car, id like to get one to see how it works out...i can see one in my near future.
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Kyle "blowing away" the tires seems like kind of a stretch right now, but that has nothing to do with power, so much as it does the driver and total lack of tires or suspension.
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i agree its lack of suspension, but his car does spin more than i would imagine, and with the 4.10s he is ordering next week or so, its gonna be even worse, then throw boost on it and it could get bad.as far as driving, from what ive been tols , he is doing very well at driving considering the number of gts and v6s he has under his belt with just a mild bolt-on v6, some of the other v6s he is beating have gears and the same mods as him.
i refuse to throw 315 mickeys on a car that already has a tourque problem, so id rather run lighter tires and manage the bottomend torque.
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That's why I was telling him that 4.10's will be good for now, but once he gets some pressure on it, he'll probably have to go back down to 3.55's if not 3.27's.
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he will be okay with a turbo...trust me.we are about to put 410s in the silver turbo car so itll spool quicker
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To clear it up...Gary's car has a very big hair dryer. He does not qualify for this discussion. On a side note though I think his new tranny is finally ready, just waiting on it to cool off.
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To clear it up...Gary's car has a very big hair dryer. He does not qualify for this discussion. On a side note though I think his new tranny is finally ready, just waiting on it to cool off.

thanks for calling that one kinda what i was getting to because i could always throw jays car in the mix





what?? its just a little turbo v8
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maby we should have put a eaton on it instead of the turbo
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earlier i stated i couldn't find much if anything on the INTERWEBZ (cuz its true if its on the interwebz so yes, that dyno graph is true bishes), buttttttttttt, you haven't even shown us a dyno chart. i mean your like Godsend of it, and u can't back it up with a chart, a video, a sexy babe, or an airplane.
There are about 17 or 18 guys running the V6 M112 right now (one is even going onto a 3.8 MINIVAN). Not many talk about it from first hand experience because not many have it going right now. Many talk about wanting it. I've got a list of over 150 people who tell me they want one in the near future. There are several threads going on 3.8mustang from the guys doing it. Back in 03 we were working on an M90 set up for the split port, and this evolved out of it. We had so many people saying it won't work and it's a waste that I felt like an idiot (it was within my first year of ownership - back when running 12's was the best a V6 could do). I run open track events with my car. I was loosing because my car lacked low end tq to get out of the corners. So I made something to compensate for the weak part of my car. I had it up and running for a long time prior to telling anyone in 'the V6 world'. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything and setting myself up for epic failure. From there I teamed up with a select few to see what they thought and worked out more bugs. Now we are finally happy with it all (4 years later) and are putting it out there for the public.
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i like the hood in the first picture
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i second that. think hed be willing to trade?
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Hes been OMFG MY HOOD FTW for the last 2 weeks... You may have to kill him and take it!
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damn haha, worth a shot. on a side note, does anyone make a kit for the m112 yet or is it still a DIY job?
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Oh I forgot one of the obvious cars :



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i need a link for that hood please i know somebody that needs one
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yeah maby they'll sell a hood/windshield combo.
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yeah maby they'll sell a hood/windshield combo.

ive already got the hood/windsheild all in one deal, id like them seperated this time. 125 for the glass installed at russels
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personally i'd just build up the 7.5 with stronger axles and halfshafts.
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you got some rear end i've never seen that uses both axles AND halfshafts?
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you got some rear end i've never seen that uses both axles AND halfshafts?
It's that quad link drivetrain...2 axels...2 halfshafts. That way, if the halfshafts go out, you still have the axels to keep you moving. It's pretty high tech.
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