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Old 01-31-2013, 10:40 AM   #1
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Handheld tuner or bank 4 eliminator chip from AM?
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Handheld tuner or bank 4 eliminator chip from AM?
handheld always always always always!! Unless you want to go through the pain of taking it out every time you want to run a different tune or download another. it's a lot handier.
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Old 01-31-2013, 05:16 PM   #3
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That's what I was thinking too. I'm assuming you have a handheld tuner? Haha. If so, how much has the tune improved the performance of your car?
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I have the sct from am, also I have other mods: 4.10s, auburn lsd, cai, and about to windstar swap but my stang has really come alive... I'm just doing handling and aesthetic mods now I've gotten the little more power I wanted... Maybe 50 hp enough for me to keep up with gts
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:53 PM   #5
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Sounds like you've definitely got a good build so far. It's always nice for Sixers to keep up with GTs. Hopefully my ride will be there one day.
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That's what I was thinking too. I'm assuming you have a handheld tuner? Haha. If so, how much has the tune improved the performance of your car?
i personally dont have one but I've driven a v6 with the exact bolt ons as mine with a handheld tuner and let me just say this...BAD MOTHATRUCKIN A$$
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:45 AM   #7
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i personally dont have one but I've driven a v6 with the exact bolt ons as mine with a handheld tuner and let me just say this...BAD MOTHATRUCKIN A$$
I agree... It's def. a money pit to put power into a v6... But we you consider in their day the price diff. Between the 6 and 8 was 7-10k dollars and for that you can have a mean v6 that can certainly keep up with or beat 04 and back gts... Now that being said now a days it is much more cost effective to just buy a gt since the difference is more like 3k.

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But I wouldn't trade my v6 for anything I love it... And to me no gt is better... I feel like people who know cars respect the 6 so that's all that has mattered to me
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I agree... It's def. a money pit to put power into a v6... But we you consider in their day the price diff. Between the 6 and 8 was 7-10k dollars and for that you can have a mean v6 that can certainly keep up with or beat 04 and back gts... Now that being said now a days it is much more cost effective to just buy a gt since the difference is more like 3k.
not more being under 25 haha. sure the price of the car is alright but when it comes to v8 insurance on a sports car....forget about it...

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Sounds like you've definitely got a good build so far. It's always nice for Sixers to keep up with GTs. Hopefully my ride will be there one day.
you should let me borrow your tuner hahaha i want one so bad, that and bigger rear diff gears
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That was my major point in when I got my car was the insane diff. In insurance I agree with you completely
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I can't wait to tune my car and see the difference.
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I have the sct from am, also I have other mods: 4.10s, auburn lsd, cai, and about to windstar swap but my stang has really come alive... I'm just doing handling and aesthetic mods now I've gotten the little more power I wanted... Maybe 50 hp enough for me to keep up with gts

Not even close to 50hp.

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SCT X3 is what I'm currently looking at.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:21 PM   #13
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I will say it again I put it on the dyno after I finished all my mods and I made 205 rwhp so whatever you say but ya it's the joy out of modding more than the power you can create

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04 gts make what 240 at the shaft so with a 16-20% loss for drivetrain they make like 200 rwhp stock so that fits with what I stated
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Good deal man. I can't wait to get the tuner for my car!
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:26 PM   #15
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260 excuse me I misspoke so they get more like 210-215 rwhp still within my statement of keeping up with
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I have the sct from am, also I have other mods: 4.10s, auburn lsd, cai, and about to windstar swap but my stang has really come alive... I'm just doing handling and aesthetic mods now I've gotten the little more power I wanted... Maybe 50 hp enough for me to keep up with gts
And what GTs are you keeping up with???
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:28 PM   #17
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Yep tuner is best bang for your buck and it's really fun just don't go wild with modding unless you have a money tree... It's hard to push much more than 210 rwhp without putting in serious money

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And what GTs are you keeping up with???
Anything pre 05 stock
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I will say it again I put it on the dyno after I finished all my mods and I made 205 rwhp so whatever you say but ya it's the joy out of modding more than the power you can create

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04 gts make what 240 at the shaft so with a 16-20% loss for drivetrain they make like 200 rwhp stock so that fits with what I stated
Im sorry but wth your mods you are either lying on your power or the dyno wasnt set up correctly. I cannot stand by while bad data is being put in this section...your mods with tunes will be in the 175-180 rwhp range. Of this i am 100% certain. Sorry if that sounds harsh but ive been at this for too long to let that by lol.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:31 PM   #19
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Anything after 05 is over 300 horses at the crank so they are like 240+ rwhp

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Maybe it was but ill send you the chart to prove it look at the one on am on their stock v6 with just the tune the gain throughout the curve was like +15 so you start at around 160 rwhp the tune alone puts you at 170-175
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Any stock GT 98 or older is only putting 175-180 to the wheels..
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But if you've seen a car that's windstar, dual exhaust, cai, gears and an LSD only gain 5 hp then I guess I believe you over my dyno haha
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Anything after 05 is over 300 horses at the crank so they are like 240+ rwhp
Wrong...99-04 auto gts usually make 235-240 on a dyno....s197s usually make the 260 range. I work at mustang dyno days for my local stang club so i see this a lot.
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But if you've seen a car that's windstar, dual exhaust, cai, gears and an LSD only gain 5 hp then I guess I believe you over my dyno haha
What are you talking about? A stock 99-04 v6 is on average a 150 rwhp car...getting to 190 isnt cheap but doable with those mods
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Well then they aren't losing the normal 15% which doesn't make sense why the v6 does... The 15% is common among all mustangs and .85 times 260 is 231 so ya maybe if they hit the very low end they may do 235 but I think it's more like 225-230 but I believe what you're sayinf

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Dude that makes no sense you're giving the gt a 12% loss from 260 to 235-240 and then you're taking the v6 and giving it over a 20% loss from 193 to 150... Come on now
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I think ill just go...i don't seem to be getting through lol
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:38 PM   #26
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Actually under 12% more like 8-10% while you're saying the v6 loses 20% that's insane

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I'd just like you to explain why the loss is that much greater on the v6 than on the gt and why I've seen stock v6s on avg dyno around 160-165 and gts are at 220-225 idk where I'm losing you but if you want to explain I'm here to listen and learn
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And yet its the average loss...time and time again for years on several forums and personal experience. Who knows maybe you own a factory freak...but ill just stick to what ive seen and worked with. Btw what kind of dyno where you on?

Ill wait on the sheet lol
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:42 PM   #28
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:51 PM   #29
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the usual gt's around here are 225rwhp bone stock or very slightly modded automatic cars, manuals about 5-10 higher

bone stock sixxers like he said 150rwhp, the manual sixxers get another 5-10ish..

no amount of bolt on's will even keep up with a PI gt (might come close to a 94-98 gt), takes motor work, or the gt is a manual and he misses a shift
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to stop you guys from arguing watch the GT and V6 bolt on builds videos at AM.

GT: Skip to 1:50 to see stock numbers
V6: Skip to 2:12 to see stock numbers

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Old 02-01-2013, 11:55 PM   #31
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Bama SF3/X3 Power Flash Tuner w/ 3 Free Custom Tunes (99-04 V6) 3015||38018 - Free Shipping!
157 for the stock v6
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221 for the stock v8

Falls exactly in what I said...

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Thank you Austin they are low balling the v6 and high balling the v8 that's all I'm saying
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We havent low balled or high balled anything just been there done that. You're young so i understand you see one vid by a seller and believe it..but understand in the real world things arent so black and white.
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:12 AM   #33
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Besides if youre calling david wrong on his numbers remember when it comes to N/ A v6s he has done everything you want to do and tested it.
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:16 AM   #34
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I get what you're saying but they have no reason to exaggerate stock higher... If you wanted to sell your product you would put the stock hp a lot lower than 157 and for the gt same thing... Can't deny the results 221hp stock for gt and 157 for v6

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I am not calling him wrong you said gts get 235-240 he said 225 and am said 221 that's a big differenxe

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You're saying they get 10-15 more than David the expert says and 14-19 more than am says

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I'm not even gonna worry about the 10 we disagree on about the stock v6 but you're saying the gap is 150 v6 to 240 v8 that's a 90 hp gap more realistically the stock gap is 160 v6 to 225 v8 that's only 65... Big difference
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David was referring to an auto gt lol...i owned a 5 speed. Theres a difference in loss. Ive never seen an auto gt on our local dyno so i can verify that number. And nobody is calling AM out on their stock numbers so no clue where you got that. In the end it comes down to i try my hardest to believe you when you say things but over other threads its hard to. One thread you claim you beat an s197 GT now its anything prior to 05...i love this section and those claims can put the wrong thought process into younger members heads. Im just gonna go before i have to give myself a warning to cool it lol...
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