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Old 05-28-2013, 08:48 PM   #1
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v6 for v6?

So My engine is on it's last leg, pushing 350,000 miles on it, and my friends dad collects cars and sells them, he has a 2001 3.8, and was wondering if an '01 v6 would fit in a '97?
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So My engine is on it's last leg, pushing 350,000 miles on it, and my friends dad collects cars and sells them, he has a 2001 3.8, and was wondering if an '01 v6 would fit in a '97?
Yes same bottom end different top end.. Basically yes and you end up with more HP
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Motor mounts will fit and everything? Tranny too?
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Motor mounts will fit and everything? Tranny too?
Probably the same tranny and yes I believe so
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Awesome! Thankyou so much!
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97 has a return style fuel system and I think after 99 they switched to a return less style. So you'd have to either convert to return less our get modified fuel rails. I think there's a few other things that have to be done, but the engine will bolt up to the Trans and the mounts. Look up the split port swap, and that's what it takes.
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97 has a return style fuel system and I think after 99 they switched to a return less style. So you'd have to either convert to return less our get modified fuel rails. I think there's a few other things that have to be done, but the engine will bolt up to the Trans and the mounts. Look up the split port swap, and that's what it takes.
Thankyou! I'll look into that!
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I'm doing that swap right now. Let me tell you. I'm freaking out haha. You need fuel tank, fuel lines, and the whole wiring harness. Not a simple swap if you want it done correctly. You're basically modifying all the internal wiring and fuel system

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97 has a return style fuel system and I think after 99 they switched to a return less style. So you'd have to either convert to return less our get modified fuel rails. I think there's a few other things that have to be done, but the engine will bolt up to the Trans and the mounts. Look up the split port swap, and that's what it takes.
And it's the newer models with the return style.
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Thanks, I knew it was one or the other. I'm looking into the super coupe swap instead. Seems more painless.
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If you need to get it running, you can use your old heads and intake on the newer engine.
Then later swap too split port later.
If your not in a big hurry, then do the split port swap.

and I think you can avoid changing most of the fuel system if you get a windstar(f150's might have them) fuel rail. Some of the years I think 97-04?(does someone know this?) used a return style fuel system.
I'm not sure on the year, but some of the split-port engines did have a return style fuel system.
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I don't know, at that point, you should probably just do an overhaul on your engine. If you use your 350k+ heads on a newer short block, your probably going to have the same life out of your "new" engine due to the already worn valve train.
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So what would be the best choice? Only reason I asked about the 2001 engine is because I have a friend who is selling it cheap. BUT, it is my daily driver, and I can't have it down for too long. Does anyone know where I can buy just a 3.8l 1997 engine? Or another car that has the same exact engine? For a decent price? Trying to find something for around $500-$700 at most, with NOT a lot of miles. My car still runs, very strong to be honest, but it goes through as much oil as it does gas and It's just time I start looking for a new engine to put in. What is the super coupe swap exactly?
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So what would be the best choice? Only reason I asked about the 2001 engine is because I have a friend who is selling it cheap. BUT, it is my daily driver, and I can't have it down for too long. Does anyone know where I can buy just a 3.8l 1997 engine? Or another car that has the same exact engine? For a decent price? Trying to find something for around $500-$700 at most, with NOT a lot of miles. My car still runs, very strong to be honest, but it goes through as much oil as it does gas and It's just time I start looking for a new engine to put in. What is the super coupe swap exactly?
Craigslist or your local bone yard for VERY cheap!

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I'd like to point out I can pick up a 99-04 V6 motor and trans with all wires for about $350
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Sometimes you can also find used engines on eBay, though they may not always be local or cheap. There will be some modifications that need to be done in order for this particular engine to fit and function properly, but it is very easily possible.
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You would need a 1999 lower intake(01-04's will require more work), a windstar fuel rail(so you don't have to change your fuel lines)
ALSO if you decide to buy online, you might want to just get a 4.2 block or just internals(crank, rods, pistons.) You will notice the extra torque the 4.2 provides. I have one with singleport heads. Needs some small stuff fixed but it runs pretty good.
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Isn't a 4.2 a v8? I'd love to get more power if I get a new engine, but what might be the best way to do that WITHOUT V8 swaps, Turbo's and Superchargers? I checked Pick'N'Pull and they have no mustangs in my year, Craigslist they all want at least $1000 for their engines, and I've looked on ebay and their quite pricey as well. I'm stumped at this point :/ I honestly don't feel like messing with my fuel line again, I already had to do my fuel line recently just to fix it, it wasn't fun at all. It seems I am at a loss.
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Isn't a 4.2 a v8? I'd love to get more power if I get a new engine, but what might be the best way to do that WITHOUT V8 swaps, Turbo's and Superchargers? I checked Pick'N'Pull and they have no mustangs in my year, Craigslist they all want at least $1000 for their engines, and I've looked on ebay and their quite pricey as well. I'm stumped at this point :/ I honestly don't feel like messing with my fuel line again, I already had to do my fuel line recently just to fix it, it wasn't fun at all. It seems I am at a loss.
Nope v6 4.2 v6 came in pickups and vans
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Like in the F150's? Would that bolt up?
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the block would bolt up, and you could use your old heads and intake.
once again though you could do a splitport swap while your at it. 1999 mustang lower intake, windstar(f150 fuelrail) make sure its a return style fuel rail.
the 4.2's the biggest you can get(without boring), besides swapping in a V8.
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the block would bolt up, and you could use your old heads and intake.
once again though you could do a splitport swap while your at it. 1999 mustang lower intake, windstar(f150 fuelrail) make sure its a return style fuel rail.
the 4.2's the biggest you can get(without boring), besides swapping in a V8.
Mustang lower intake 99-04 will work..
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A 2000-2004 lower intake will not work without swapping in a newer engine harness and ecu. They have imrc valves in the lower intake.
A 1999 lower intake does not have imrc valves. Meaning you can keep the engine harness and ecu from your 97 engine.
You could delete the imrc valves on the 2000-04 engine but thats more work.
Imrc valves added i think 3 or 5 hp. Wouldnt be noticable.
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Maybe I'll try looking for a 4.2. What exactly is a splitport?
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Maybe I'll try looking for a 4.2. What exactly is a splitport?
A split port is what the new edges come with. How the manifold has two sides and not just one like on the sn95 models

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A split port is what the new edges come with. How the manifold has two sides and not just one like on the sn95 models

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In theory depend what you read single port is very air deprived and non equal air flow.
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The advantage of split port is that you have long, narrow runners for the low rpm range and short, wide runners for higher rpms. If you just had one or the other, you would experience more low end torque or high end torque, respectively. 99 and 00, they were both open. In 01 they added the imrc (something something runner control), which is a valve that opens in the short runner at a certain rpm.

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In theory depend what you read single port is very air deprived and non equal air flow.
Also true. Split port allows better air flow as your saying
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split port does make a noticeable difference. the single port 3.8's are around 145-150hp at the crank, 1999-2004 have about 190hp at the crank, and a 4.2(which always has splitport, unless you put the singleport heads and intake on yourself) has about 202hp, and a lot more torque.
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