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Old 06-23-2013, 06:28 AM   #1
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I really wanna do something soon, I just am not sure what, I have a turbo kit in my garage, but I don't think it's a good idea cause I just got a job at a ford dealership that's 50 miles from my house, so I need it to be reliable, I just want some opinions, you guys think I should build the 3.8? Or do a swap? Or Mabey just buy a different car? I love my stang, she was my first car and I'd probly like to keep it. I already have a DIY intake and have my exhaust dumped by the axle, full MSD spark, 8.8 with 3.73s, and a bunch of other stuff here and there like touchscreen radio and whatnot. Just lookin for some opinions
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:29 AM   #2
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Buy another car and build it up. Honestly if you want to build your car up it will be down for an unknown amount if time when you least expect it. There are accidents and unexpected hiccups whenever you're doing something major on your car so it's always good to have a spare car. Either buy a fox and do a Termi swap, or buy an economical car and build up your own either turbo, windstar, V8 swap, etc. trust me I'm building a car up in my garage and I'm glad I have spare cars lol it's been there for MONTHS
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Looks like a cool project tho!!
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I was thinking that, but if I were able to do a swap I'd want something different, cause why spend all that time n money just to have a stock gt

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What kind of power could the 3.8 make n/a? Like 3-350? I would be happy with that
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Looks like a cool project tho!!
You don't know the half of it lol. Had to completely gut the car and replace the wiring harness

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I was thinking that, but if I were able to do a swap I'd want something different, cause why spend all that time n money just to have a stock gt

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What kind of power could the 3.8 make n/a? Like 3-350? I would be happy with that
I want to put a Mach 1 engine on my red stang when I blow out the motor. It's on 115k and going so in the next couple of years. Going t start buying the parts for the swap. But an n/a v6 could totally get you over 300 hp. Check out super six I hear some of their FI V6's push over 700hp but those are just stories I've heard
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You don't know the half of it lol. Had to completely gut the car and replace the wiring harness

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I want to put a Mach 1 engine on my red stang when I blow out the motor. It's on 115k and going so in the next couple of years. Going t start buying the parts for the swap. But an n/a v6 could totally get you over 300 hp. Check out super six I hear some of their FI V6's push over 700hp but those are just stories I've heard
Do you have a build thread going ?
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I was going to, but I got a little too lazy. Started a couple of threads for some tech issues but never did an actual build thread. I should huh? Haha
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I was going to, but I got a little too lazy. Started a couple of threads for some tech issues but never did an actual build thread. I should huh? Haha
For sure!! Lots of good tech in this project I know I would subscribe !!
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Ill definitely start one later haha I'm a quarter of a way done with it
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I was thinking about the Mach1 is that much harder than the regular v8 swap?
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I don't think that it will be harder than a normal GT. but I'm not too sure. It will probably be the same the only difference would be the shaker. You'd need a Mach 1 hood
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Probly computer n harness n stuff to, it's a different head,

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But what kind of stuff to get the sixxer to 300? Like cam n headwork and whatnot
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Probly computer n harness n stuff to, it's a different head,

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But what kind of stuff to get the sixxer to 300? Like cam n headwork and whatnot
Yeah, the harness and computer. Yep, full bolt ons, engine work, and a professional tune
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Anyone on here have the 4.2 from a f150? I can't find any real numbers on it, everyone just says "ehh adds some power" what kind of gain could I expect from putting my top end on the 4.2 bottom end?
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Anyone on here have the 4.2 from a f150? I can't find any real numbers on it, everyone just says "ehh adds some power" what kind of gain could I expect from putting my top end on the 4.2 bottom end?
Lemons95 has done the stroker ask him. But he has an sn95
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I have the 4.2 from a 2001 f150, still at the machine shop for a p/p job, but I have a 1998 3.8 gaining 50hp with the swap. You would gain 5-10hp because you already have split port heads.
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Probly computer n harness n stuff to, it's a different head,

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But what kind of stuff to get the sixxer to 300? Like cam n headwork and whatnot
Talking 300 crank or wheel hp? 278 sae is the highest so far for rwhp, 300 bhp is not that hard to do honestly. Mines around 250rwhp, loses 20% through drivetrain thanks to the stalled auto, that's about 310bhp.


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Anyone on here have the 4.2 from a f150? I can't find any real numbers on it, everyone just says "ehh adds some power" what kind of gain could I expect from putting my top end on the 4.2 bottom end?
I'm running a stock F150 bottom end, if you use the 4.2 cam with the swap an easy 5-10 hp and 25tq, throw in a windstar upper while you're there for even more gains.
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To the crank lol I know I'm not gettin that to the wheels, and all that work doesn't seem worth it for that little amount of power, how hard would it be to do this with my 3.8?
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Hard, not at all, it's as much work as changing head gaskets, aside from swapping cams which is relatively easy once you have it tore down to the short block, and someone else would do the tuning. It's just biding time finding good deals so you don't have to spend a ton, I paid $1550 for the heads on mine, most expensive thing on the car lol.
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You think it's worth it? And also are the 4.2 bottom ends as reliable as the 3.8? Like I said, I'm gonna be putting alot of miles on it, also is mpg affected?
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You think it's worth it? And also are the 4.2 bottom ends as reliable as the 3.8? Like I said, I'm gonna be putting alot of miles on it, also is mpg affected?
If its something you like sure it's worth it..

Yes they are just as good, I rev mine out to 6000rpms A LOT, and it holds up just fine

Mpg? Build a Prius..

Depends on the tune really, my friend is lucky to get 18 with his, I hardly get below 20 with more power than him and I drive like a maniac..
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Round about how much you think this would be if i pulled the bottom end from a junkyard and ordered a cam from Ssm, with everything else I would need like springs, rods n whatever else
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Round about how much you think this would be if i pulled the bottom end from a junkyard and ordered a cam from Ssm, with everything else I would need like springs, rods n whatever else
Stock heads suck.. Just an FYI

Bottom: 300-500 depending where you go
Cam: regrind for like 250, or a new cam 400, your choice
Heads: look for a nice used set of heads first, but if you go "new" at least get stage 2+ or 3's, 1700 or so
Lower intake: SSM is ridiculously priced for that job.. Last I saw it was over 400, My sponsor Luis does some porting jobs and such and doesn't cost an arm and a leg (he's porting the M112 for me right now) 250 and ship for a lower with having to remove imrcs included
Upper intake: a junkyard windstar swap manifold and all the misc parts I would say ~100

Now move on to the rest of The car, for support a T-5 will be ok, may want to upgrade clutch, the 4R70W requires a new converter as the factory one won't take long to ***** out, throw in a $60 trans cooler and if you want a shift kit, with all 3 it's 500+hp capable.

Injectors: you can get a set of 24's for 50-60 on eBay.. Stock fuel pump will be stressed somewhat but can handle an N/A build (mines near 80-85% duty cycle on WOT)

Rear end: get a good differential with gears or an 8.8 swap with gears (I have an auburn I'm trying to get rid of for the 7.5" if you wanna talk pm me) generally you can find a good deal on the 8.8's unless you find someone who thinks they're made of gold.. I paid $300 for mine and it came with 3.73's lol
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I have a 8.8 with 3.73s but there's a chip in the gears n it's loud n anoying so I'm gonna put 3.55s in, I have a t-5, and what about a custom head job? And custom lower intake porting,
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Find someone who does a good port job you can try it of course

3.55's, you going turbo?
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I think I'm selling my turbo just want a little better highway gear, I live in south florida so cruising speed is like 85mph lol
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If you're not going turbo do 3.73's again, need a little more help staying N/A, plus it's more supercharger friendly
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Does anyone have a write up on this swap?
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Which swap we've talked about a couple different things
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I couldn't help but read in the first post that your exhaust dumps at the axle. What kind of exhaust is it? And did you have to do any custom work to it or just put the kit in as it came?
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Literally all the exhaust is, is a glass pack welded to my Y pipe, and I was asking about the 4.2 swap
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Literally all the exhaust is, is a glass pack welded to my Y pipe, and I was asking about the 4.2 swap
There is a good write up under the stickies section in this forum! That's what I'm using. It doesn't say anything about the fuel system, but since your 3.8 is already split port you won't have to change much, unlike me I need a different pump, fuel lines, rail, and injectors
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There is a good write up under the stickies section in this forum! That's what I'm using. It doesn't say anything about the fuel system, but since your 3.8 is already split port you won't have to change much, unlike me I need a different pump, fuel lines, rail, and injectors
Don't convert to returnless.. They make splitport style fuel rails that are already return style, I forget which one it is that is the correct height for the swap but do some looking i've seen it mentioned before (not on here but V6P will likely have an answer)
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We're can I find the sticky section on the mobile app
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