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Old 11-22-2014, 05:21 AM   #1
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What color is good for snow I have tried a 6000k and 8000k and I felt like the 8k was too dark sometimes and I heard a 3000k was good for snow


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Are you installing the HIDs in your factory housings, because that's your biggest problem. Not all of the light is being properly focused on the road in front of your due to the differences between halogen and HID bulbs. Projectors with 4300k or 5000k will get you the most light. Any higher than 5000k and you start losing some of your light output and begin getting the blue and purple "ricer " headlight color.

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Factory lights and I had projector lights before they didn't work well light wides


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They probably weren't legit projectors then. I'm retrofitting a set of Morimoto projectors into my headlights, and with 5000k HIDs, it makes the road look like daylight. Leaps and bounds above the oem halogen setup

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Is this ricer ?

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Honest answer: yes. It just looks cheap if it's not a legit LED or projector style assembly. I may be biased since I have to deal with an excessive number of drivers up here in Alaska running HIDs in their stock housing, because a lot of people live out where there aren't too many lights. While it makes things brighter for them, it also blinds all oncoming traffic due to the light splash that isn't being focused on the road.

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You probably are biased. I dont think my fog lights are blinding people.

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Not sure how you can tell since you're not the one in the oncoming car. And I meant biased as I have more of a hate towards cheaply modded HIDs than others because I deal with the glare from them a lot more due to new vehicles up here having them.

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Seeing as they're sitting low in the first place I and they're towards the ground I think they're fine.

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You probably are biased. I dont think my fog lights are blinding people.

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Seeing as they're sitting low in the first place I and they're towards the ground I think they're fine.

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They may not be because they are aimed lower than normal but you also lose their functionality by doing so, i.e. rice. I still don't get why having blue lights is so popular. It doesn't look "highend". And foglights are supposed to have a low, wide light pattern. Installing HIDs completely defeats that purpose due to the different position of the light being emitted.

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I'm not trying to look highend I just liked the blue look. Its all about opinion. Sorry to take over this guys thread


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One more thing , I'm getting a 06 mustang and I want to improve the lights. Should I just buy a set of 'projector' headlights or what would you suggest

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You can get some brighter halogen bulbs, or yes, go with a projector headlight and HID combo. I'm running Silverstar halogen bulbs right now, which are brighter than the stock bulbs, while I retrofit a set of Morimoto projectors and HIDs into a spare set of headlights.
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Are led lights any different. Ive heard of some people using them. Didn't know if they were any good or not

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Silverstars aren't brighter, they are just whiter. Product of a VERY effective marketing campaign on Sylvania's part. The blue coating makes the light a bright white... and also reducees overall lumen output.

As for HIDs, the pic with the blue lights/purple fogs is complete rice. Yes you are blinding oncoming traffic with them, there is no question of this. The light is being "sprayed" in all directions including up. Not to mention purple foglights are COMPLETLEY non fucntional and only there for looks (that only a high school girl might appreciate).

If you are doing HIDs, you get a retrofit with a good set of OEM or OEM style quartz glass bulbs no higher than 5000K and you run that. Its not cheap, but its done right. If you are using stock housings, get a set of good Halogens and use those.
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They're blue not purple dumbass

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He's an *** about everything .

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No he isnt. He is a good guy. he actually is the man to go to for 04 and under,
He is just old lol............... JK scott :p

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Silverstars aren't brighter, they are just whiter. Product of a VERY effective marketing campaign on Sylvania's part. The blue coating makes the light a bright white... and also reduces overall lumen output.
Weird, mine don't have a blue coating. And my buddy's light meter showed about a 10% increase over my previous bulbs. Can't remember the exact numbers but it was visibly brighter, and not really whiter.

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Yea Scotty knows a lot about these things, you are just the hard headed one dude.


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I'm quoting this from another board but I'll leave it here once again. I am in 100% agreement with this and maybe someone reading it might learn a thing or two.


Ok, another fun rant for everyone...well, maybe not everyone. Those of who you care about "doing things right" and research your modifications before installing them, I'm not looking at you. Yes, there are correct ways to retrofit HIDs into your car that came with reflector housings. If you have done this, thank you and good job. If you have OEM projectors and have put HIDs in, then you're fine as well. The ones I am looking at, again, are those who blindly throw parts at their cars without even the basic understanding as to what they are doing. Today's focus is lighting. With the introduction of H.I.D (high intensity discharge ) or "Xenon" lighting in automotive applications, drivers have been given a better and safer way to see at night....mostly. This types of lights started out as OEM options and have slowly (well, back then) trickled their way down to the average consumer for a low price. At first, to have Xenon lighting in a car that did not come with it required getting a hold of an OEM setup, which was (and still is) very expensive. As aftermarket manufacturers saw the demand for these kits, they flooded the market with them for every automotive bulb under the sun. While a benefit to some, it has been a glaring problem to many motorists. Far too often, owners who like to modify their cars have been like horny leg-humping dogs by sticking these lights in every hole they can think of...weather they belong there or not. Not only have the applications of many of these lights been wrong, manufacturers have even gone as far as to manipulate the technology of these light to produce some of the most annoying and unusable lights ever conceived.

Let's look at a few basics.

Reflector vs projector housings..in one simple picture-



What is a H.I.D/Xenon bulb anyway? Well, your standard halogen bulb that has been standard for decades is nothing different in design than your typical household light bulb. It works by passing energy over a small filament which in turn causes the filament to become super heated and produce light. We should all understand how this works. Like this-



In HID or Xenon lighting, a small arc of plasma is created by energy passing through various gases and elements in a sealed chamber. This arc produces the light you see..it's kind of like a small lightning bolt to put it in simple terms. It works like this-



Let's discuss the two types of light bulbs and the two types of light housings used on cars today.

Now for a general light, this really is no different other than overall light output. The HID is able to produce a brighter light with less energy. But when it comes to automotive applications, things change...a lot. Automotive lights are designed in a very specific manner in order to put light where you need it, and not put light where you don't, as in putting light on the road and not in oncoming driver's faces. The general standard for years has been a halogen bulb in a reflector housing. In this housing, bulbs have a shield built into them to help control light output. Think of it like walking though a dark room with a candle to light your way. Notice that when you do this, the glare from the candle hurts your ability to see what you are trying to light up. What do most people do? Well, instinctively most people put their hand between their eyes and the candle. This is the same concept on most halogen bulbs and is designed to only allow light into a specific part of the reflector housing. You can see it here as a little piece of metal next to the filament-



And this is the desired effect of all of this. The location of the filament and the shield are super critical in the design of a reflector, changing the location of the filament's location even a couple of millimeters will change every angle at which the light travels, ultimately letting light go in places it was not designed to. This is is also the exact same reason why your high-beams project light much higher and wider- because the high-beam filament is no shielded and placed in a location that causes the light to scatter in a different direction.



There are many cars with projector lenses that use halogen bulbs. But the bulbs used in the projector housings do not, I repeat, do not have a shield on them. This is because the way a projector housing works, the lens (and if applicable, the shield build into the housing) does all the focusing. In some projector setups, both high and low beam patterns are available and are controlled with a movable shield. Here is an example of what I am talking about-



..and this is how a projector housing works-




Now when it comes to HID lights, almost all of the cheap/regular kits for most all bulbs are unshielded. There are a few exceptions that have a shield operated by a solenoid, but generally speaking most, if not all of your average HID installs in reflector housings are done wrong.

You average HID bulb looks like this-



Notice the little bubble in the middle? That is where the arc is produced and where the light comes from. Notice the difference in the following picture of the location of the halogen filament vs. the location of the HID "filament". This is the root cause of why putting HIDs in reflectors is never a good idea-



Upon changing the location of the actual light source, you get massive amounts of light scatter (glare). This is what is very bad and annoying to all other drivers on the road. You are essentially blinding them as if you were driving with your high-beams on. I've heard many people exclaim "but I can see so much better with my HIDs (in reflector housings)"...and this is only true because you are scattering light all over the place. Here are some examples of what I am talking about-

Halogen in reflector-


Halogen in projector-


HID in reflector housing-




Notice all the light scatter/glare that is up higher than the "cut off" line? That is bad...very bad. I could post up numerous examples of this all day long. Even while it "might not look so bad", it is bad. Aiming your headlights down won't help any either. All aiming your lights down will do is move the focus point down, but glare will still be emitted up and out. Oncoming drivers will see this. Most people might thing your brights are on too....even though they're not. Both of the car in the following picture are equipped with traditional halogen reflector housings..but one of them had improperly installed HID lights, can you tell which one is which?





See how bad that is? Sadly, none of the people doing this actually care they are blinding other drivers...nor do they really listen to those who care to inform them politely.


Lastly, we have color. For whatever reason that I may never understand, people seem to love the blue/pink/purple lights too. They think it looks "cool" or that they can see better with it. In fact, no matter what the reasoning is, they are 100% dead wrong. HID lights, as many know, are offered in different "K" ratings. This is for Kelvin. The Kelvin range describes light at different frequencies. Here is a simple way to understand Kelvin (K) and light output-



In reality, anything above 5K is really not any more helpful or useful to the human eye. In fact, the lower the Kelvin rating, the "better" it is for your eyes. Natural sun light is actually pretty yellow. Regualr halogen light is also on the yellow scale. The human eye likes this and is why we can see the colors we see. Notice with a blue or red light how everything looks a single color? This is the same for HID lights in the 8K+ range. Your eye does not like the frequency and takes much longer to adjust as well as a severe loss of detail when looking at something. This is actually why police lights are blue...because they're VERY attention getting and police want you to see their blue lights from as far away as possible...so you know they're there. Blue/purple/pink headlights are terrible for your eyes. I could actually give much more detailed information as to why, but I don't need to be that technical right now. Just know, and please understand why all of this is so bad.



TL;DR? Just read this:


If you put HIDs in your car and they don't look almost exactly like this-


Then you are doing it wrong and irritating everyone driving down the road at night.

If your lights looks like this..regardless of the HID in reflector housing...







...you are a complete and useless ricer who shouldn't be allowed to own a car.
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They're blue not purple dumbass

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Its sad that I could not tell if they were blue or purple. Maybe like a blue-purple color like in a Crayola 64 pack?

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Thanks, I like to think I can go through those with my eyes closed but I'd be more of... I'm the guy to go to for 95-down for everything and 04-down for anything but some stuff on those newfangled overhead cam contraptions lol.
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Unless you're talking about in a projector setup, then no, just no.
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You also do not, under any circumstances, need 55w. All they do is burn hotter and melt the raxiom housings everyone puts them in. OEM is 35w and still use halogens in the fogs because HID in the fogs are pointless not to mention a sub 3k yellow is the best possible light for fogs as it cuts through the mist the best.

And as I keep saying, a good halogen is plenty bright for viewing at night. I wish that more companies made headlights for 9005/9006 bulbs since you can get 9011/9012 HIR (what snow plows use) bulbs that fit in 9005/9006 slots. They're about as bright as a 6k HID and pure white and I know this from experience. Those with 94-98 cars can get them via DEPO projectors and they work spectacularly.
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Those lights look good and make your car stand out. They look good and I would say "non rice" because its on a good looking sports car rather than a piece of **** honda. How can you guys not appreciate how the colors he has goes together and how flow smoothly/ seamlessly with the car. Buncha uncreative and boring idiots lol.
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Those lights look good and make your car stand out. They look good and I would say "non rice" because its on a good looking sports car rather than a piece of **** honda. How can you guys not appreciate how the colors he has goes together and how flow smoothly/ seamlessly with the car. Buncha uncreative and boring idiots lol.
I really hope you're trolling, because we gave you the exact reason it's rice. It's a cheap, poorly executed mod that will annoy just about every oncoming car due to the glare.

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I really hope you're trolling, because we gave you the exact reason it's rice. It's a cheap, poorly executed mod that will annoy just about every oncoming car due to the glare.

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Do led bulbs do the same thing as cheap hid's ?
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If you have a reflector housing, you get a real good halogen. OSRAM Offroad or Night breakers or Philips Xtreme Power. They work great, put out damn near what a HID does and are plug and play.

Honestly... the whole HID thing is overblown like crazy. I even fell for it for awhile. Then I got my HIR Halogens and was like "oh...".
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