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Old 08-26-2008, 01:21 PM   #1
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FMIC & Eaton M112?

I was thinking about the whole "cant intercool the M112 on a 6" thing for a while now. Wouldnt it make sense to simply create a single or split CNC'd lower intake thats split down the center (seperating top from bottom) at about 6" tall. This would allow a 2.5" IC pipe to be run into the upper and lower "boxes" and to a FMIC. Thoughts?
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I was thinking about the whole "cant intercool the M112 on a 6" thing for a while now. Wouldnt it make sense to simply create a single or split CNC'd lower intake thats split down the center (seperating top from bottom) at about 6" tall. This would allow a 2.5" IC pipe to be run into the upper and lower "boxes" and to a FMIC. Thoughts?
Then what do you do about fuel rails? How do you get the intercooled air into the motor? I think ever possible way to do that has been though of and their is no simple way.
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Re: FMIC & Eaton M112?

Ok maybe I didnt explain it the way I wanted to. Basicly take a 6"tall by X" by X" box, put runners on it to the heads(for the injectors and rails). Now split the box straight down the middle (top half is filled with air from Supercharger, blows it out the front, through the FMIC, and into the lower portion of the box and through the runners)






Runners to heads on each side w/ rails and injectors
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Re: FMIC & Eaton M112?

Well that thing would be huge after the m112 sitting on top of it....

6" box + m112 + upper intake
= holy jeebus!!!!!!!
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Re: FMIC & Eaton M112?

upper intake? Eh well this is why Im still researching things . I was also thinking of a 2.5" tall box, same outlet but instead of a seperated box run a log type runner underneath and run the intake runners out of that to keep clearances down. Probably cut it down to about 3.5-4"
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Re: FMIC & Eaton M112?

I'll bet you could get something to work with the GM intercooler setups..



Unless the 112's bolt pattern is that different.. you'd be modifying your lower intake to fit the 112 already...
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Re: FMIC & Eaton M112?

Im assuming thats water to air?
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Well that thing would be huge after the m112 sitting on top of it....

6" box + m112 + upper intake
= holy jeebus!!!!!!!
that was supposed to be 6" box + m112 + lower intake. The m112 adapter bolts up to the lower then the m112 on top.
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Im assuming thats water to air?
Yes...

I had to run hoses/etc, front mount heat exhanger... water to air
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that was supposed to be 6" box + m112 + lower intake. The m112 adapter bolts up to the lower then the m112 on top.
ah, no the idea was to make something to replace the intake all together. (upp & lower)
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Re: FMIC & Eaton M112?

Heres the real question, If I work up several functional designs would someone be willing to help me with testing/marketing? Thats the only thing id really have trouble with.
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I think hipo on v6power is already working on it, your gonna have a hard time marketing anything with hipo making one.
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Heres the real question, If I work up several functional designs would someone be willing to help me with testing/marketing? Thats the only thing id really have trouble with.
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I think hipo on v6power is already working on it, your gonna have a hard time marketing anything with hipo making one.
I think that is completely wrong.

DSS is the only company making upgraded half shafts for the 03/04 cobra crowd right now and has been for a while. Their product has taken a dump lately and their level 5 shafts are breaking left and right. Now a new company is coming around with a different, better design. They will clean up and hammer DSS once they finish their testing.

Just because one company/person is making a part doesn't mean no one else can. If Scorpion has the abilities to make one, and can in fact get it tested (it won't be hard finding testers once you have something to test), all he has to do is market it. There is plenty of room for more than one version of a product. And if it is priced right, it won't be any issue.

So, I wouldn't try and shoot down someone's thoughts so quick. hell, this hipo guy could decide to bail on the project...then there would be nothing because you shot down someone else's idea.
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Re: FMIC & Eaton M112?

TPS will test and market it if you come up with a design, i can also help you overcome obstacles that you may come across, my email is jarrod@tpsperformance.com ill help any way i can...we are all about innovation, im currently desighning a new bov pipe routing for kyles car that will theoretically eliminate turbo-lag.
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I think hipo on v6power is already working on it, your gonna have a hard time marketing anything with hipo making one.
So !!! Doesn't mean somone else can't come up with a design .Who voted hipo God, sounds like you got a case of Idolatry
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So !!! Doesn't mean somone else can't come up with a design .Who voted hipo God, sounds like you got a case of Idolatry

he is just supporting his friend
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Re: FMIC & Eaton M112?

I think I will be taking your advice and working on both a water to air and air to air style. However the air to air is proving somewhat difficult as I need to figure out how to get around the belt and pullies. Im thinking a plate that "tilts" front to back or vice versa with the ports on the TB side. thoughts?
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the air to water will be your best bet
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See that's the thing you guys don't stick around v6 forums so you have no clue who is who and who does what. Hipo has already built custom valve covers, a custom combo upper and lower intake, sells p&p heads and intakes, custom upper intakes. Have I bought ANYTHING from him? No... But his **** sells somebody else already tired to market another m112 adapter and guess what happens? Everybody knows nathan(mysteed) and matt(lilroush) in the v6 words this random other guy had to stop because nobody would buy it from him and that is a lot of R&D money lost ....
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See that's the thing you guys don't stick around v6 forums so you have no clue who is who and who does what. Hipo has already built custom valve covers, a custom combo upper and lower intake, sells p&p heads and intakes, custom upper intakes. Have I bought ANYTHING from him? No... But his **** sells somebody else already tired to market another m112 adapter and guess what happens? Everybody knows nathan(mysteed) and matt(lilroush) in the v6 words this random other guy had to stop because nobody would buy it from him and that is a lot of R&D money lost ....
hipo has good stuff.. i have his upper and lower intake .. and i cant wait for his intercooler to come out either
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See that's the thing you guys don't stick around v6 forums so you have no clue who is who and who does what. Hipo has already built custom valve covers, a custom combo upper and lower intake, sells p&p heads and intakes, custom upper intakes. Have I bought ANYTHING from him? No... But his **** sells somebody else already tired to market another m112 adapter and guess what happens? Everybody knows nathan(mysteed) and matt(lilroush) in the v6 words this random other guy had to stop because nobody would buy it from him and that is a lot of R&D money lost ....
I check the V6 site every day and I'm well aware of the work all are doing including Hipo !!!!!! Don't make assumption But unlike some of the other V6 sites We don't bash or tear apart someone who wants to try another approch or method.
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Well my current roadblock is finding a CAD program lol. I might just give up and freehand everything, so stick around it could get interesting haha.
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TPS will test and market it if you come up with a design, i can also help you overcome obstacles that you may come across, my email is jarrod@tpsperformance.com ill help any way i can...we are all about innovation, im currently desighning a new bov pipe routing for kyles car that will theoretically eliminate turbo-lag.
try placing one before the IC if hes using one, it will also help with lag as it keeps the IC "filled" so you dont need to replace all the air in the larger cell as well, just the pipe up to it. One thing I found on the daytona with a few BOV setups while trying to hide it. Oh and I greatly appreciate the help. Im currently awaiting the sale of my Daytona so I can use some of the extra cash to pay for welding and materials. Any recomendation on thickness? current prototype design.
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I'm on my BlackBerry right now but I have unlimited access to cad programs when I get back to work, I don't believe that one person can maintain a monopoly because he was the first one to develope something, I am working on designs for things that major companies ar waiting for, its all in who you know and how you market, I doubt hippo can sell his more than a company like FRPP or BBK.
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Im building an M112 with an external water/air IC.
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the 4.6 has more room between the heads for the intercooler as well as its not pushrod, not sure how much room the v6 has~ it can be done but how big could the intercooler be? the m112 already wont fit under any sort of near stock hood
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This is HALF of a Lightning intercooler underneath a lightning M112 on a single-port engine. As you can see there would be room for it, but the supercharger also sits VERY high. I ended up ditching this entire idea and going with a Magnuson MP112 who's case size is much more compact and versatile for custom fabrication.

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who says the blower has to sit ontop of the intake tract, the supercoupe M90 sure doesnt... it may sit there but it routs the air out and down to an intercooler then back up to the back of the upper intake.
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Yeah exactly my thoughts. Thats why I did this



and my custom made 8-rib pulley with vortech race strut. I wanted to use this becasue I have an extended hub on the shaft for a quick-change pulley. This was needed to still clear my distributor, and I wanted to prolong the supercharger and front main bearing life.

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