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Old 06-30-2004, 02:31 PM   #1
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Dirt cheap lowering

Got my custom springs installed yesterday. Took me about 4 hours. Of course one side went quicker than the other, after I figured out the easier way to do things on the first side. Here's some pics. Height from the ground to the high point of the wheel opening is now 26.5"

Cost: $8.00 + $53 for an alignment.

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how did you get that for 8 bucks
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Old 06-30-2004, 03:06 PM   #3
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Ancient Chinese secret.

One metal cutoff wheel for my table saw = $8.

1 coil cut off my stock front springs and 1.5 coil cut off my back springs gave me a level drop of almost 2 inches. No problems aligning it.

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what was the $53 for alignment thing?

Does your car handle better?
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My Mustang needed an alignment. So I got one. It needed an alignment before I did the spring cut and since you really should have your car aligned when you lower it anyway I killed two birds with one stone.

As for the handling better part. I'll let you know for certain next week. I need to drive to work Friday, 206 miles of long straights, twisty curves, hills and whatnot.


Right now, the 5 miles or so I put on it farting around since my alignment 2 hours ago, it seems to handle better and past experience with lowered cars done in this manner bears it out.

But the proof is in the pudding so I'll let you know after my weekly commute to work and back.

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Old 06-30-2004, 03:55 PM   #7
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lower is better. Given my choice it'd be lower, but the roads aren't that good. I can still get my floor jack under it though.

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Well, after a bit more city driving and hot footing it around some corners I noticed my rear has an occasional slight tendancy to slide out on me. Might have to juggle some swaybar rates to fine tune it into the perfect ride. However, with all the rain we have gotten as of late damp roads might be an issue.

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let me know when you figure out some more about that, I'd definitely be interested in cheap lowering. I wouldn't look too much forward to having a mustang that was even more light on traction in the rear than normal though...
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Well, after further investigation I found a nail in one of my rear tires, causing it to be low on air. That appears to be the cause of the rear sliding evey once in a while. Fixed it, tested it, no apparent issues.

Now for the long test tomorrow.

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yeah, nails are a bad thing. on my last set of tires, I picked up 4 nails. All in the same tire, but all at different times. They're building a house down the road from me...
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i dont knowhow cutting your springs worked out alot of people have told me it is bad to cut your own springs
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I've been cutting springs for a long time, first car I did was my new 1986 Dodge Daytona. So I'm looking at, what, 18 years doing it.

Works fine, except for two things. First is that your car sits lower to ground. How much depends. If you are doing it yourself and you cut too much off you can't do anything about it except buy new springs. If you have a less than popular car (re my Daytona) you are stuck buying new springs from the dealer, $$$. So you either need to ask around and see who's done it and what they did and got, or cut a half a coil at a time and reassemble and see if you like it or just cross your fingers, cut it and live with it.

The second thing is that it will increase the spring rate. Which means the car will not ride as smooth as it did. But if you look at all the lowering springs offered by everyone they all increase the spring rate.

Buying a set of aftermarket lowering springs net's you one thing, someone else's time to figure it out.

Cutting your stock springs is fine as long as you do not cut too much off, don't want your spring to fall out when the suspension is at full droop, and you do not use too much heat. So using a torch is out. A high speed cutoff wheel is the ticket.

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cutting stock springs is just stupid.... if you are to cheap to buy a 100 buck set of springs you dont need to be moding a car lol my friend cut his stock springs OMG the ride was horrible and it handled like CRAP lol
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you dont know if you cut them all the EXACT same size eighther
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If you're too stupid to understand what you are doing you shouldn't be modding a car either. I know what I am doing. Odds are I've been doing this longer than you been around pal. Odds are I have the tools to cut the springs, measure the lengths, measure the spring rate and measure the ride height when they are installed.

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well i ahve just heard alot of horror stories about cutting springs
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If you're too stupid to understand what you are doing you shouldn't be modding a car either. I know what I am doing. Odds are I've been doing this longer than you been around pal. Odds are I have the tools to cut the springs, measure the lengths, measure the spring rate and measure the ride height when they are installed.

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cutting stock springs is just stupid.... if you are to cheap to buy a 100 buck set of springs you dont need to be moding a car lol my friend cut his stock springs OMG the ride was horrible and it handled like CRAP lol
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my friend cut 1.5 coils off the front and 1 coil off the rear of his 90 firebird, and the handling change was amazing, the car actually felt better than a similar car with eibachs and KYB GR2's all around, he cut the springs and left the stock shocks and struts for a while, then got some GR2's, trimming a spring isnt bad, its when you hack the thing in half
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If you have a less than popular car (re my Daytona) you are stuck buying new springs from the dealer
actually, youd be suprised, eibach has been making springs for the k-based cars for years, they probably made springs at the time you owned the car, bilstein, mopar, and most other companies made shocks and struts for em, guess ya just gotta know where to look
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The only company I found, at the time, was Suspension Techniques and Mopar Performance making lowering springs for my Daytona. Being a cheap SOB, which I am, I couldn't see spending that kinda cash. So I didn't. Never regretted it and still don't.

Update on the Mustang. After my trip to work, 206 miles of Texas hill country roads, speeds of 100 mph and less, it handles just like I expected. Much better than stock, not harsh at all. No comparison to any other spring can be made by me, because I haven't driven a Mustang with anything else.

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so does cutting a stock spring make it more of a non progressive rate spring now?
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I had H&R spongs on my camry. I still had to cut one coil off the front as it sat to high. The spings were for a 6cyl model and mine was a 4cyl. Had no problems with it!
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i need to drop mine, yours looks good, just loose the stock rims.. hahaa.
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so does cutting a stock spring make it more of a non progressive rate spring now?
Depends which end you cut off. A progessive spring isn't symmetrically wound. The "softer" portion of the spring has hta larger gaps between the coils. I didn't cut that end. So I still have some progressiveness in the spring.

Cutting a coil will shortent the height and increase the spring rate too.

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i need to drop mine, yours looks good, just loose the stock rims.. hahaa.
wife = no $$$, even f I do make more than enough. Somehow she fails to understand why I need new rims when my old rims still work. Even though she has more shoes than Emelda Marcos, so she can match outfits, I can't get new rims.

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looks good, but how much stiffer is the ride now?
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wife = no $$$, even f I do make more than enough. Somehow she fails to understand why I need new rims when my old rims still work. Even though she has more shoes than Emelda Marcos, so she can match outfits, I can't get new rims.

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just sell some shoes she hasnt worn in years and tell her your car needed new shoes more than she needed her old ones
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lol to zim

i would never cut my springs but simply because i dont trust myself doing something like that
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Here is the big picture on cutting springs. I have been modding cars over 20 years. I have only cut springs once and on the back roads of alabama my car would often smack the ground because it was not stiff enough. But that was on a Camaro. I think if you have the tools and the desire and the confidence. DO IT !!!! Hell in the end nothing is lost and you can still replace them for 100 bucks.

No I applaud his desire to try things and experiment.
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well im sorry for being rude i just have been there and tried to cut corners all thats happend as I wind up paying twice the price to get it done right as I should have to begin with, aka rear end for instance....

cutting springs is only for looks it wont help the cornering much if any at all, maybe a tad but stock the rates are horrible so it would be pretty easy to see a little improvment. Its just not something that should be encouraged when its so easy and cheap to pick up a set of real handeling springs.
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looks good, but how much stiffer is the ride now?
Hmm, dunno if I can quantify that. I can feel/hear the road more than I did with it stock but I don't consider it objectionable at all. It does, however, not like potholes. And I do have to be a bit more careful with certain driveway approaches and stupid speed bumps. We got a speed bump at work that is so wide both the front and rear tires can be on it at the same time. =8-(

Anyway, my trip back from work was interesting. I have three turns on that trip, two right one left, that have always made the car skittish before the lowering. Now, I can take those turns much faster and with more stability.

One other thing, the body is much flatter in the turns too, lesss body roll. Nice.

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cutting springs is only for looks it wont help the cornering much if any at all, maybe a tad but stock the rates are horrible so it would be pretty easy to see a little improvment.
I disagree, here's a helpful hint, don't use a torch to cut your springs. I see now I'll have to get some before and after spring rates.

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Never use a torch on a spring because it reduced spring rate significantly. Secondly every thing I have seen makes spring rate go up as you shorten but it is not drastic so if you have a really soft spring you cannot expect it to stiffen very much.
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