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Old 08-24-2004, 11:43 AM   #1
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04 v6=98 v8

You guys may remember first asking what mods I'd need to beat a 04 GT w/ my v-6 later I found it was a bit unlikely. I know 4.6 98 stangs pack about 230 hp only 40 more than mine so I know that's attainable, but exactly how? What would be the most cost-efficient way to get there? :smoke:
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By the way, one of you guys asked me to put up pics of my car, that's it as my avatar. Like it, it's got the pony package that's why it has the GT scoop and different wheels although you can hardly tell.
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Im researching, and there are some guys getting the split-port cams down to a science. 30+ rwhp cam swaps on naturaly asperated 99+ mustangs are happening now!
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You will need more then bolt ons for sure though. Also have to look at the torque curve of GT and compare that. Don't just compare peak numbers either, you must look at the entire hp and tq curve
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Bolt ons you say, dual exhaust, power pulleys, CAI, shift kit, and gears...what else? I think it'd be pretty close after Stage 1.

Can someone provide a link to hp and tq charts w/ interpretations?
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75 shot of nawzzz and exhaust cai gears and shift kit you will run by a gt
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get a used NX wet kit they are cheap sometimes for your Nitrous department if you wanted to go that route
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Yeah I'm sure, but not a real big fan of 'nawz'. It's like cheating. Like bodybuilders who are juicing.
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Bolt ons you say, dual exhaust, power pulleys, CAI, shift kit, and gears...what else? I think it'd be pretty close after Stage 1.

Can someone provide a link to hp and tq charts w/ interpretations?
Dual exhaust, CAI and pulley will net you about 15-17 HP

Duals 3-5 hp max
CAI 0-5 HP max
UDP 5-7 HP max

So you could have as little as 8 hp and a Max of 17 Hp with those mods. Remember manufactures claims are bogus!!!!

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nitrous is a legitimate power adder.

Remeber, you can't just add up hp numbers for different bolt ons to get the final number, it will give an estimation is all.

Also, even with bolt ons you won't come close to the torque numbers of a 98 GT. Full exhaust and intake will maybe get you 15 hp but you might lose some torque. underdrive pulley's are your best bet. You will definitely want the gears to get the torque back after the exhaust.

all of the bolt ons may get you 20-25 hp, but you won't pick up that much in torque. (and I'm being generous)
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I have the impression that hp translate in car's balls giving it the ability to quickly raise the mph gauge. Torque is that jerk that you feel as you slam the gas, what glues you to the seat. But if you are glued to your seat that means your picking up quickly which is the same as the definition I provided for hp. Can someone clear up the hp/tq picture I have and how they apply on the road?
So w/ dual exhaust on its own will I run fast at all?
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torque is what slams you to your seat, take a foreign car like a skyline for example they have horsepower thus they fly on highways with very high top speeds, but a car like a mustang has torque which will win from a stoplight. Dual exhaust is a good starting point but it will NOT make your car fast. In short there is no cost efficient way to get fast, power is money, unless of course you use nitrous.
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btw, not many people still have a "stock 98 GT".....
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how much is a new wet nos kit
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btw, not many people still have a "stock 98 GT".....
Most are stock. see I go all over the place traveling and I stop and talk to people to see if they want to join the UMC club here in Greenville or want to come th aour stang site and most stang owners say they are not into it they just consider their stang another car. Now owners under 25 it is a different story but under 19 and some of the cars are owned by mommy and she wont let there be mods HEHEHEHHEEHHEE

Plain and simple
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how much is a new wet nos kit
:search: ive seen used full kits go for 500 my bro got his for his camaro for that, check the nitrous express website i believe its www.nitrousexpress.com and you should see prices you can look it up as good as I can
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http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Pages/Fordmain.htm

to be exact it ranges on what sort of kit you wanna get
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98gt's are the most powerfule pre 99gt's having 225hp and 275tq~ or 280 something like that, if you run an auto you will need to be able to muster beter than a 15.3 to do good, most pre 99 gts with auto run 15.5~ give or take so a 15.3 is a good measure.

for a manual 15.0 give or take 2-3 tenths~ for driver and what not both of these times are very doable with just bolt ons and gears, the 99s ups run 14.2s on average so it takes a bit more to run that... cam/heads/intake and you should be easily in the 13s with a 5 speed.

this is for stock or near stock gt's.... there are few of these lol so its better to just set you a goal to run in the quarter mile and just work toward that.
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how much is a new wet nos kit
Generally about $600 +/- for a new kit comming from the company and not eBay.
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corey, srry here in my area all i have seen have been moded. SC, everything..
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nitrous is a nice way to get hp easy and cheap but, if you have the money and you want to get the constant hp and not the on-hand hp get a new cam, ported heads, ported intake, ud pulley, dual exhaust, and a cai. total it would be around $2000-2200. I'm pretty sure that will get you pretty close to a 99+ GT, if not better. your exceleration will be better cause of the less weight in the engine bay, depending on the rear end you have too.
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i thought i was getting a deal when some guy offered me a brand new n.o.s. wet kit for 600 buck but io guess that what it cost straight from n.o.s.
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I may have a set of ported heads to get rid of soon!
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98gt's are the most powerfule pre 99gt's having 225hp and 275tq~ or 280 something like that, if you run an auto you will need to be able to muster beter than a 15.3 to do good, most pre 99 gts with auto run 15.5~ give or take so a 15.3 is a good measure.
I have a 98 GT and the torque is 260.

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MegaX, why not just realize you've got a v-6... it's not the end of the world, it's the start to an amazing car, if you want it to be. You just have to work harder to get your numbers is all... not only that, but you get to have better gas mileage.... if you built up your internals, i.e. forged, you could throw some nitrous on there, and then when you want to be fast, faster than a GT... you CAN be... at the flip of that little switch. True, it may not be the best for your car, it gets your goal accomplished.
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i was pretty sure the pre 98s had 275ftlbs
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1994-95 5.0OHV 215hp @ 4200 285tq @ 3400
...............5.0OHV 240hp @ 4800 285tq @ 4000
1996-97 4.6SOHC 215hp @ 4400 285tq @ 3500
...............4.6DOHC 305hp @ 5800 300tq @ 4800
1998 .....4.6SOHC 225hp@ 4750 290tq @ 3500
...............4.6DOHC 305hp @ 5800 300tq @ 4800
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you sure the 5.0 sn95s arent 300ftlbs?
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This is straight from the History of Mustang Performance website

http://home.pon.net/hunnicutt/history.htm
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NO its a lie its the man keeping us down! fight the system.
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One that takes the fire and runs with it is the man. He that takes the fire and shares with all is DANGER DUDE.....
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You can have it all with a V6! I consulted on a very hot
stroker 4.2 in a Stang and it is currently getting 280 RWTq
and 265 RWHP, and with a tiny cam to boot! The curve is
superimposed over a bolton 4.6 99+ GT in one graph and
it kills the GT in 75% of the RPM ranges and is very close in the rest

I'll post it OK?
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The Red is the V6 stroker and the blue is a 5speed GT with a magnaflow
exhaust, including x-pipe and cats, a K&N FIPK, UDP, and Superchip. Peak
Tq. is the same but starts lower with the V6 and carries on longer!!!

Justin (our fearless V6 owner) is making a few changes and may use
a new cam of my specs (has one of my RGR-based old grinds now)
and a few other changes to optimize the setup as it currently is.



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This is straight from the History of Mustang Performance website

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those numbers aren't correct. they contradict the formotorcompany website numbers... the 99+ GT has 302 tq...
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