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Old 08-28-2004, 06:52 PM   #1
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Guess which dyno graph is the V6, Blue or Red

V6 vs. 99+ 5 speed GT with a magnaflow exhaust, including:
X-Pipe and cats, a K&N FIPK, UDP, and Superchip.



The answer is right on there, but I bet most never thought a V6 could make
that kind of power!!! Here's proof! I consulted on the setup and RPM did the
porting, the cam is one of my old grinds and too small, but Justin
(our fearless V6 owner) is making a few changes and may use
a new cam of my specs and a few other changes to optimize
the setup as it currently is.

Those of you that guessed RED before seeing the answer win a COOKIE!
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I'd say the red one... because 1, I can read, and second, saw it in another post
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I'd say the red one... because 1, I can read, and second, saw it in another post
Sweet deal, huh??? I did not do alot for Justin, but troubleshoot,
and suggest changes that made a huge difference, but at least
it is now making killer HP and Torque and uses one of my old cams.

Congrats Justin, and Mik @ RPM!
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Sweet deal, huh??? I did not do alot for Justin, but troubleshoot,
and suggest changes that made a huge difference, but at least
it is now making killer HP and Torque and uses one of my old cams.

Congrats Justin, and Mik @ RPM!
a stock 350z makes 280 hp... it's sad that Ford won't push that kinda HP from its own v6... then again a 350z cost a lot more, but still...
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a stock 350z makes 280 hp... it's sad that Ford won't push that kinda HP from its own v6... then again a 350z cost a lot more, but still...
yeah show me a 04 350Z for 16k(12K w/ a plan) w/options like mine was plus they are completely different motors.


hey RGR what were all his mods?
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my car had 7,000 miles on it, and I got it for $12,000... and it has EVERY upgrade except leather, actually, had it special ordered so the only thing left off was power passenger seat and leather seats.... soooo , then I stole it from her. (Bank took it away, sold it to the Ford dealer for near $15,000 I guess)... they had it marked at $15,500... but rethought when no one wanted to buy it until me... like a year and a half after they got it
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my car had 7,000 miles on it, and I got it for $12,000... and it has EVERY upgrade except leather, actually, had it special ordered so the only thing left off was power passenger seat and leather seats.... soooo , then I stole it from her. (Bank took it away, sold it to the Ford dealer for near $15,000 I guess)... they had it marked at $15,500... but rethought when no one wanted to buy it until me... like a year and a half after they got it
They even gave you one rim that didnt match the rest of the ones on the car too... thats tight!!:worship:
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hey RGR what were all his mods?
The Important ones were:

4.2 (stock bore, so it was not a 4.3)
LT's and good duals (2.5" I believe)
small cam (I'd go bigger next time and Justin is looking into it, I will spec it)
BV heads (but I would use stock valves with stock 3.81" bore block)
wildly ported intakes and 70mm TB

plus a killer tune by Jerry of FordChip

Justin needs a bigger MAF and the cam will be changed later,
he may also try 1.8 RR's just to see if that helps any. It should,
but not nearly as much as a bigger cam. 1.8's only add about 4%
to the valve action and around .020" of lift is part of it. I will add
considerably more to the next cam, lift and duration both. But not
too much extra duration, as this combo is easily beating a competitive
4.3 that has nearly 20* more intake duration! Gotta match the intake
style when you cam it up, too much duration kills torque and when the
torque is right, it carries thru with killer HP. This is the SPI's best trait!
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how do you think my set up will compare robert?
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ive seen that too pretty sweet stuff!
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cam, valve, nitrous question

RGR, do you suggest larger exhaust valves on a 3.8 splitport that will be run mostly N/A, with nitrous @ the track? The setup will be a stock bottom end, +cam, + ported heads. I guess the question is, Will the cam, and N2o alow larger valves to be usefull without loosing bottom end?
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RGR, do you suggest larger exhaust valves on a 3.8 splitport that will be run mostly N/A, with nitrous @ the track? The setup will be a stock bottom end, +cam, + ported heads. I guess the question is, Will the cam, and N2o alow larger valves to be usefull without loosing bottom end?
I'd email me if I were you, and we need to discuss if this cam is meant
for maximum all around HP or on the bottle HP. Most people need NA HP
and occasional juice usage, and for those peeps I would retain stock
valves... Instead of going thru all the variable here, let me ask you the
Q's and then I can make suggestions. Email me!
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how do you think my set up will compare robert?
Still 3.8 right B?
List your mods here...
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Buckling down for the storm, will email next week!
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another good one, V6 smokes V8
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another good one, V6 smokes V8
Hey RGR, can you explain to me why my numbers are so bad?? I know im not 4.2, but I was thinking my 3.8 would make at leaste 200+ rwhp with what I have... I mean come on, I went from 140rwhp with boltons only to a whopping 160rwhp!!! Thats a whole 20rwhp... when I was expecting at least 50.
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Hey RGR, can you explain to me why my numbers are so bad?? I know im not 4.2, but I was thinking my 3.8 would make at leaste 200+ rwhp with what I have... I mean come on, I went from 140rwhp with boltons only to a whopping 160rwhp!!! Thats a whole 20rwhp... when I was expecting at least 50.
Some good reasons:

1. Lack of proper tune, SCT could mean anyone! Was it mail order?

2. Clogged Cats... lack of torque increase indicates this too.

3. Engine needs rebuilt... that would be bad news.

My best guess is that it's #2, maybe combined with #1.
But any tuner can only tune for a healthy car, clogged
cats or toasty engine can't be tuned for at all.
If needed we could get you a reburn with my guy, after
the other issues are cleared up. If there are any, but I suspect cats.

For your mods the cam is kinda small, do you have higher CR?
It's also an SC grind, and my very first cam spec I did. SC later?
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Some good reasons:

1. Lack of proper tune, SCT could mean anyone! Was it mail order?

2. Clogged Cats... lack of torque increase indicates this too.

3. Engine needs rebuilt... that would be bad news.

My best guess is that it's #2.
For your mods the cam is kinda small, do you have higher CR?
It's also an SC grind, and my very first cam spec I did. SC later?
Robert the thing is look at his Dyno numbers stoick with bolt ons. I have never seen a 94-98 Dyno that high with just bolt ons. I am betting he got a 40+ hp increase and the first stock dyno numbers were bad. But that is just my opinion
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With my project everything is going to be new. Not taking any chances. New fuel pump(gas tank completely cleaned out) and all the other little things will be changed(new battery for instance) so I can cut out any wondering what could be wrong....
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Robert the thing is look at his Dyno numbers stoick with bolt ons. I have never seen a 94-98 Dyno that high with just bolt ons. I am betting he got a 40+ hp increase and the first stock dyno numbers were bad. But that is just my opinion
Well, most stock 5 speeds are @ 115 RWHP or a bit more.
So he should be maybe 130 RWHP after boltons, You are right,
140 is a alot for boltons. Was the 140 with tune? A stock tune
does not work that well with major airflow mods like these...

Josť was making right at 190 RWHP with that basic stuff,
with a 5 speed and same cam, but stock valve heads.
It was not optimized for an NA combo, but was tuned on a dyno.
I still think it's the cats and tune. Probably a pre-HCI tune on there.
140 RWHP with boltons and chip is not bad, for a pre-99 car.
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With my project everything is going to be new. Not taking any chances. New fuel pump(gas tank completely cleaned out) and all the other little things will be changed(new battery for instance) so I can cut out any wondering what could be wrong....

Are you just going 4.2 or an SPI setup... ?
4.2 SPI really rocks!
Either way, you will need combo help and
I'm your guy. Engine at least.
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Well, most stock 5 speeds are @ 115 RWHP or a bit more.
So he should be maybe 130 RWHP after boltons, You are right,
140 is a alot for boltons. Was the 140 with tune? A stock tune
does not work that well with major airflow mods like these...

Josť was making right at 190 RWHP with that basic stuff,
with a 5 speed and same cam, but stock valve heads.
It was not optimized for an NA combo, but was tuned on a dyno.
I still think it's the cats and tune. Probably a pre-HCI tune on there.
140 RWHP with boltons and chip is not bad, for a pre-99 car.
The Dyno of his was stock motor with bolt-on and no chip. I agree his cats are toast.
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Then you need to rebuild it BIG BORE.
Ford's pistons are 20 and 40 over, maybe
Rob can get you some bigger forged ones later.
I have a set of forged rods here, SC, for sale!

You'll need BV heads and all that stuff.
To do it right at least.
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Then you need to rebuild it BIG BORE.
Ford's pistons are 20 and 40 over, maybe
Rob can get you some bigger forged ones later.
I have a set of forged rods here, SC, for sale!

You'll need BV heads and all that stuff.
To do it right at least.
Corey said he will have me a list of everything I will need.

boring it .030 over right now. I don't want to take chances of something happening.
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Corey said he will have me a list of everything I will need.
I'm talking about porting specs, cam, etc. I think Corey means
the 4.2 conversion parts list. I'm willing to help, if DD wants me

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Boring it .030 over right now. I don't want to take chances of something happening.
Huh, do you think Ford would offer .040" over pistons if they did not
fit each and every block they turned out??? My machinist says ALL
Ford V6 blocks he has seen will tolerate .060" overbore, and the
price is the same no mater the oversize
The newer blocks are better too, in every aspect. I have 2 blocks
here that will go bigger than 60, I'd imagine yours does too!
60 over is totally SAFE. And you can get better flow thru unshrouding,
which equals more HP as well.
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k I'll see about .060 then. I will be using forged pistons and rods. I'll see what Corey gets me tonight and I will know more price wise. He is getting me prices on forged pistons rods and all that jazz I believe.
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I can get the BV hookup...
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I'm going to get an O/R H-pipe soon with long tube headers. That should take care of the cat problem.
My SCT chip I bought from RPM. It should be burned perfectly for the mods I got. I will need i reburn when I get my 3.73s, and whe I do I want to set it for a higher octane. Right now I believe its set for 87 octane.
As far as internals go, I beleive my internals are fine. Each cylinder makes great compression and when I was down to the block, the pistons looked good other than a bit of carbon build-up...which I cleaned off as much as possible. I have a new timing chain that I bought from RPM. Oh and, kinda on a funny note, my car started right up on 3 cylinders the other day (we foregot to put the plug wires back on after doing a bit of work) So my car was an inline 3-cyl! Oh and Im running stock compression ratio.
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I'm going to get an O/R H-pipe soon with long tube headers. That should take care of the cat problem...

My SCT chip I bought from RPM. It should be burned perfectly for the mods I got. I will need i reburn when I get my 3.73s, and whe I do I want to set it for a higher octane. Right now I believe its set for 87 octane...

As far as internals go, I beleive my internals are fine. Each cylinder makes great compression and when I was down to the block, the pistons looked good other than a bit of carbon build-up...which I cleaned off as much as possible. I have a new timing chain that I bought from RPM...

Oh and Im running stock compression ratio.
87 octane is costing you at least 10 RWHP...

Mik does not do the SCT chip, I suspect it's
from ___ and they are still pretty new to this.
Get an A/F run (after your cats are yanked)
and see if you can get a deal on the reburn.

Sounds good on the compression test, so Like I said before,

Cats and Tune... and 87 octane generally makes alot less HP
than the way they tune it for 93 octane. I've seen 10+ RWHP
for most tunes that go to 93 octane. Jose got just over 10 HP
when he got the tune.
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that GT didn't do too well for the # of bolt ons he had
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that GT didn't do too well for the # of bolt ons he had
Well, he has 260 BHP stock, added duals, CAI, UDP, gears, big TB, tune...
not bad for getting him back up near the BHP in RWHP figures.
Do you have any dynoes of bolton GT's? I'd like to see some.
Good point you make though. The torque is not gonna be any better
even if the GT improves his HP. Just proabbaly extend his top end a bit.
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