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Old 10-28-2004, 01:43 PM   #1
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11.3 @ 122 more....

Lots of stuff....

I only made one pass. The 11.3 was at full weight, complete interior including seats, A/C, PS etc...

The car had 10s in it had I pulled some weight and if my driving that pass would have been a little better. I datalogged the run. My shifts were slow for me. They averaged about .3s per shift. Definitely had an off night...

I am not sure the N2O worked. I have to check the car out later today to see what happened. The air temps in the datalogger did not show much if any improvement = the N2O may not have triggered. I used 2 WOT switches. One on the clutch pedal and one on the TB. I'll have to see if they are aligned right.

I blew the motor going through the traps. Why? Fuel pressure and/or lack of octane. At my power level and on a cool night like last night the single Focus pump struggled to keep up. The engine did not fail due to RPM or power it failed because it started detonating right before the traps and I chose to drive it out. It was a choice. Delta P for pressure hovered aroung 30-35 and even dipped into the 20s once or twice.

My air temp at the end of the run was 236 = way too high. The 30 shot just wasn't enough to keep temps down.

It was kind of cool. It was a good "Hollywood" type event. Cloud of smoke and even some flame out of the tailpipes for the crowd.

The track guys were quick to remind me that I'd need a cage for that ET.
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Damn, that's pretty quick pete.
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I'll take an 11.3 boom over an all show and no go car anyday.
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I'll take an 11.3 boom over an all show and no go car anyday.
I agree to that BY GOD!!!! :thumbs2: :booze:
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I think I rather have a happy medium.
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Rob that is Denial. You know if you went to the track and laid down a 11.3 but blew your engine you would still be happy with those numbers.
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Well I was thinking a little slower like 11.4.
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How would you know it wasn't a 10.9???

No guts no glory... You don't know where the edge is until you go over it once or twice.
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How would you know it wasn't a 10.9???
Are you asking me?
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I think I rather have a happy medium.
I agree, unless you have almost unlimited funds.
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I agree, unless you have almost unlimited funds.
Blah, I'll still have less into my combo, including a couple of shortblocks, compared to some other guys have ... And I'm faster.

Its always been and always will be about maximizing what you have.
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Hahahaha, not anymore....

I will say that mailorder chip TUNERS cost me two engines... That never helps expenses.
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Hahahaha, not anymore....

I will say that mailorder chip TUNERS cost me two engines... That never helps expenses.
I think for the most part there is almost no need for mail order chips with the development of the SCT software. I personally think more people if they were smart would get the SCt racer package so they can tune their our cars, but that's just me thinking out loud. As for the people that don't go all out a mail order chip is a good deal, but you have to be knowledgable of who you buy from.
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Tuning a car is involved. the key to a mail order tune is putting a bung on the exhaust so an air fuel meter can tell you the air/fuel ratio. let the tunner know how the chip is. It may need adjusting. Its better tham running too lean. hey Pete what plugs and what gap are you using on your set up? do you run 93 or go higher on the octane?
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Hahahaha, not anymore....

I will say that mailorder chip TUNERS cost me two engines... That never helps expenses.

You arguing an unwinnable arguement. I could put in 5 stock shortblocks depending on price and still have less invested...and still be faster.

You cost yourself 2 motors. No matter what you buy from who...you are still ultimately responsible to make sure the product is installed/working correctly.

Its seems you're jealous and desperate to belittle what I have proven... Get over it and get over yourself.

You have a high dollar, show queen. Be proud of your creation and accept that others will always be faster...some for less money invested.
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Tuning a car is involved. the key to a mail order tune is putting a bung on the exhaust so an air fuel meter can tell you the air/fuel ratio. let the tunner know how the chip is. It may need adjusting. Its better tham running too lean. hey Pete what plugs and what gap are you using on your set up? do you run 93 or go higher on the octane?
Mail order tunes can work just fine. If its close, the EEC can compensate some to fine tune BUT on a blower or N2O application the customer should always get some A/F feedback to verify the tune.

I usually run AWSFA12Cs at .035. With the newest power being 450+rwhp... I am now using Iridiums at about .032.

93/94 most of the time. With the N2O I have used 100+ as insurance. The last time at the track/loss of the motor I didn't have as much high octane in the tank. It was 90% 93/94. I am convinced the motor could have been saved with at least 50% 100 octane.

Its getting cold here in MI. Our stations start switching to "winter grade" fuel which can be risky to use in a high performance motor.
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I think for the most part there is almost no need for mail order chips with the development of the SCT software. I personally think more people if they were smart would get the SCt racer package so they can tune their our cars. As for the people that don't go all out a mail order chip is a good deal
Yes and no. $800 for a Racer's package is still pricey. The new X Calibrator flasher with Quicktune software is a good compromise for much less money.

Chips are still a cost effective way for the bolt-on guys to improve the tune.
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Hahahaha, not anymore....

I will say that mailorder chip TUNERS cost me two engines... That never helps expenses.

You cost yourself #2. You'd think after losing #1 you would have learned to get some sort of A/F feedback. We have no way to know if you actually installed parts correctly, had vac leaks, had fuel pressure problems, used bad gas, MAF is inaccurate etc... Some people should get professional guidance when putting together hi-performance combinations.

Wether you like it or not...it all comes back to you.
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Yes and no. $800 for a Racer's package is still pricey. The new X Calibrator flasher with Quicktune software is a good compromise for much less money.

Chips are still a cost effective way for the bolt-on guys to improve the tune.
True, but I think for the money it's hands down the best deal for people like me that constantly upgrade their mustangs. I've wasted so much money on chips that I could have spent in other spots. And until recently, complete control of the EEC wasn't possible. But now I can completely control what my EEC is thinking and doing and if I modify anything I don't have to wait a week to a month for my chip to come in.
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True, but I think for the money it's hands down the best deal for people like me that constantly upgrade their mustangs. I've wasted so much money on chips that I could have spent in other spots. And until recently, complete control of the EEC wasn't possible. But now I can completely control what my EEC is thinking and doing and if I modify anything I don't have to wait a week to a month for my chip to come in.
Agreed... For a guy like you its an investment that would pay off in the future.

But remember... Tuning still requires an understanding of what is going on at all times in the engine including the basics of combustion and spark vs. fuel. Guys who grew up with carbs learn more quickly than the new generations who think just because you use a keyboard its easy.

You see a ton of EEC-tuners for sale. Why? The people realized they were in over their heads and frustrated.

But that is what sets SCT apart. Once you have a Racer package you have access to the Dealer/User sites. There is a ton of info and help there as well as SCT Tech help too. EEC-tuner never had that level of formal support.

Had I had the option years ago... I prob would have invested either as a dealer or at least a Racer package. Instead I met and befriended prob the best there is, Jerry. He tuned my car from day one and taught me a ton more than I thought I knew..
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You cost yourself #2. You'd think after losing #1 you would have learned to get some sort of A/F feedback. We have no way to know if you actually installed parts correctly, had vac leaks, had fuel pressure problems, used bad gas, MAF is inaccurate etc... Some people should get professional guidance when putting together hi-performance combinations.

Wether you like it or not...it all comes back to you.
This answer sounds typical of your responses on various boards. Attack the customers and former customers in order to shift focus away from yourself.

According to you, it's ALWAYS the other guys fault. Even when it comes to business practice, payment, quality control, and delivery problems, according to you it's ALWAYS the customers fault.

Your way of dealing with business and tuning problems is to trivialize the customer in order to increase your income and to prevent new customers from turning elsewhere.

I'm going to make sure, from now on, that every post I see with someone singing your praises, or you singing your own, that people know that you are far from the perfect tuner everyone thinks you are.

I will not allow this to become a personal attack, since I don't know you personally and our contacts have been on boards and through e-mail when I was once your customer. I will stick with business matters, and the saved e-mails and such that I've got from you. Along with the saved "quotes" I've accumulated since our dealings.

Readers: Please watch my signature line for an upcoming change and link to a site where you can register your grievances against Pete Campbell dba. FordChip. It may take me a few days to get it setup...stay tuned.
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According to you, it's ALWAYS the other guys fault. fault.

Your way of dealing with business and tuning problems is to trivialize the customer in order to increase your income and to prevent new customers from turning elsewhere.

I'm going to make sure, from now on, that every post I see with someone singing your praises, or you singing your own, that people know that you are far from the perfect tuner everyone thinks you are.

I will not allow this to become a personal attack, since I don't know you personally and our contacts have been on boards and through e-mail when I was once your customer. I will stick with business matters, and the saved e-mails and such that I've got from you. Along with the saved "quotes" I've accumulated since our dealings.
Keep it up and I will have no prob going after you for slander. It has been done before to the few who think they can use the internet to grind their own axes. The internet does not make you above the law. We have sold 1000s of chips to people who are very happy. You need to prove we were at fault.

Lets be accurate before you make an *** of yourself....

Jerry (SCT, Inject-tech, FordChip etc...) made your file. You are not attacking me...you are attacking the best tuner in the country. Besides having at least 10k happy customers, he runs/owns the premier tuning company in the country (SCT) with Chris Johnson(JMS).

You made negative comments in this post looking for a fight. You are obviously pissed because I hit a nerve. Ego a little bruised? Ego can be a very dangerous emotion.

Now instead of this just being a post about what it takes to go that fast... You are using it for your own purposes because you are jealous whatever.... Grow-up.
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OK I said take it to PM's this is it. You have now admitted you are going to Troll Pete's post This is unexceptable. I see in the crystal ball a banning in your future
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Yeh..take it to PM's and Emails...we don't need this crap on the forum for everyone to see. It's just ridiculous. You should have settled this with him before now and not held the grudge like this.
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My opinion? fwiw, it's the guy doing the wrenching on the car who's job it is to make sure the parts are right. Buy a crank kit and slap it in without checking clearances on the assumption "it's new, it's right" and have a crank failure, your problem. Mistakes can happen, like wrong sized bearings in the crank kit. Miscommunications happen, like I got a .010" under crank and bought std bearings. Worse job I can think of is distance troubleshooting. You gotta trust the other person on the end of the line can properly understand what you want, what you need and properly deliver the info you need. Lots of opportunity for a mix up and ultimately it is the end users job to ensure he gets what he wants or needs.

Too many people are afraid to ask or imply that they don't understand and way too many people have the opinion they know more than they do. I'm not saying any of this applies here, but I understand why there are issues doing a mail order chip. This is exactly why factory setups are so limited in thier power production. Yeah, there is more to be gained but if it requires special effort on the end user's part then you will have problems unless you are the only end user. Some people will not put super in a super required setup, in order to save $0.20/gallon and when it costs them an engine they'll try to get Ford to repace it for free. Then whine when Ford won;t and raise heck and cause a bunch of nonsense. Or run N2O, frag the motor, pull the N20, tow it to the dealer and play stupid. Anyone here ever do that? Oh no, not us upstanding characters.

I've seen people claim problems with various parts. When I use the same parts and have no problems at all I have to wonder, is it the part or the installer? I don't claim to know everything and I have made my mistakes but I always make sure I know why something failed and I am not ashamed to be the reason why. I just make sure I don't make that mistake again. Of course I do that kind of thing for a living and when you fail a apart that costs more than your yearly salary you can bet you had better know why and not let if fail again. And damn you if you try to hide it or worse pass the buck onto someone else.

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I know I'm happy with my chip from Pete. It took forever to get it, but that's cuase if failed to give him my computer code. Once he got that, I had my chip within days lol. My bad.
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Pete... Do you like your JBA headers? If you had to do the headers all over again, would you use the same or something else? If you could, please tell me WHY you selected them. Are they stainless and/or ceramic coated? I ask this because I am getting ready to do a long tube header-dual exhaust mod on my 99 V6.
I want stainless so they won't rust out in 2 years HERE on the east coast (high summer humidity and winter roadway chemicals).

Congrats on the impressive 11.3/122 fully loaded.
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michael.konor.. same questions to you as I asked Pete. Why MAC longtubes?

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JBAs are shorties. They seem to work well. Mine are nickel plated.
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