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Old 01-18-2011, 08:52 PM   #1
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What can u guys tell me about this e85???
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It is less efficient but cheaper and causes less pollution when burned.
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Causes our food prices to increase.
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Idk anything about this but ive heard people in the hang out and in the track thats ohh his fast hes running e85 and im wondering wat it was
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This should get you started: E85 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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85% ethanol 15% gasoline. It's cheaper because the government subsidizes it. It actually takes 6 times more energy to make that junk then it does to refine crude into gasoline. And the are less btu in it therefore less energy per molecule. They pollute gasoline with it and it's supposed to reduce our need for foreign fuels however car manufactures are still building cars to run on gasoline.... It absorbs water yet it tends to dry out seals in carbs and so on. I think it is a fad soon to be by the wayside once we invade another oil bearing nation. Hehehe
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Its a write off to all the corn farmers.
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It does make more power but it is about 60% as efficient as gasoline. So it may make another 40 hp on a high hp car, but it also goes nearly twice as fast through the tank and corrodes most factory fuel lines. Truthfully, its not cheaper in the long run and may actually be more expensive. Your car has to be tuned for it etc. I too believe it is a fuel fad and will pass fairly quickly in the grand scheme of things.
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many terminators are getting higher hp/tq numbers running it vs 91 oct or so~
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I don't understand how a fuel can be less efficient yet produce more power. Are you sure this us true? I thought e85 produced less energy which would mean lest power. Higher resistance to detonation = more power?
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It makes more power because it is a higher octane. I should have said it is less fuel efficient as it burns faster than unleaded gasoline.
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Stoich ratio is much lower with ethanol, which means you need more. So you would have to put a while **** load of timing in something to make more power with it then.? I still find it hard to believe that a fuel that produces less energy produces more power. I would love to see proof of it. I'm just a skeptic.
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I wish I had proof other than my own memory but I dont have any dyno sheets for my buddys cars that have run it. Im sure with a little surfing around the net you could find 93 vs e85 dyno sheets. But it does make more power as its 105ish octane as I recall.
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Stoich ratio is much lower with ethanol, which means you need more. So you would have to put a while **** load of timing in something to make more power with it then.? I still find it hard to believe that a fuel that produces less energy produces more power. I would love to see proof of it. I'm just a skeptic.
it's true..it does have a lower btu, and an engine uses a bit more of it to make power. hp gains are alot more prominent in supercharged and turbo cars. my ram uses e85 as well. but it definately doesnt last as long as gasoline.

however, i do support e85 usage. i do not support it's usage as corn based. i support it's usage as sugar cane based. less corrosive and higher btu rating. meaning you will get closer to standard gasoline milage with it.

our government wont support sugar cane ethonal because of the subsadies to american farmers. instead they let food prices in mexico and the u.s. skyrocket because excessive corn demand.

i support lowering hydro-carbons, i support the use of ethanol. i dont support corn based ethonal. especialy when u can have 90-95% ethanol using sugar cane (further lowering hydro-carbon emissions) with a higher btu rating similar to gasoline. versus only 85% ethonal with corn, higher hydrocarbon emissions and a hell of alot less efficient.
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thanks alot guys
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But if you convert over to e85 your going to need bigger fuel inj, furl lines fuel rails etc
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But if you convert over to e85 your going to need bigger fuel inj, furl lines fuel rails etc
no, not at all. ive seen 15-20yr old cars use e85 with no problem. i think alot of it is marketing by the manufactures to get ppl to buy "flex fuel cars". you can run it in bout anything, it just doesnt last as long as 100% gasoline.
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no, not at all. ive seen 15-20yr old cars use e85 with no problem. i think alot of it is marketing by the manufactures to get ppl to buy "flex fuel cars". you can run it in bout anything, it just doesnt last as long as 100% gasoline.
Ah yeah you do! your not going to be able to run e85 without upgrading! If you run it and dont upgrade its going to run ****ty (not even close to its fullest potential!) those cars that have it look at same car same yr with out e85 and i bet it has bigger fuel lines, rail pump etc
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Ah yeah you do! your not going to be able to run e85 without upgrading! If you run it and dont upgrade its going to run ****ty (not even close to its fullest potential!) those cars that have it look at same car same yr with out e85 and i bet it has bigger fuel lines, rail pump etc

all the car does is widen the injector pulse width, to allow more fuel. they dont have bigger lines or any of that crap. when the 02's detect lean, the computer just adds more fuel. efi cars have operated that way a long time. only difference is they put a sticker on it that says flex fuel. hence the reason all efi cars burn it faster...all computers detect lean..increase injector pulse width...puts more fuel in cylinder...your vehicle gulps the **** down faster than 100 percent gas. it works the same rather u have an 88 taurus or a 2011 taurus.

i use to work in the enviromental and petro-chem recovery for years. i know wuts hype, and wuts real. the original plan was to convert the whole country to e85...so they couldnt have a fuel that half the country couldnt run on. just like back in the day when everyone thought their leaded cars wouldnt run on unleaded.

e85 has been around for a very, very long time. way before anyone even heard of flex fuel ppl were putting it in ther cars and not knowing it.

everyone here has pumped it at least once within the past 15yrs and most likely didnt know it.

im not tryn to sound like a smart ***... but like i said, i used to do petro-chem for a living, my dad is an environmental engineer and use to sell fuel internationaly.

e85 has been sold at pumps around the u.s. since the late 80's
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all i know is that the raptors make more power on the e85 then the 93
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all i know is that the raptors make more power on the e85 then the 93
alot of the newer cars have better calibrations (e85 specific parameters) to utilize e85 once the computer detects it. i cant really comment on the raptors cause ive only seen pics of them. but they look cool as hell.
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i cant really comment on the raptors cause ive only seen pics of them. but they look cool as hell.
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i've seen one driving around but it saddens me cause they have a pink license plate frame....yuck
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i've seen one driving around but it saddens me cause they have a pink license plate frame....yuck
y do they have pink license plates?
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haha it must be a chick that owns it. my gf is gonna buy one when she graduates and i wouldnt be surprised if she got a pink licesne plate lol
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my gf wants her trail blazer painted white with a heavy pink pearl. i told her to make sure she tints the windows so noone see's me in it
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thats what i said when my gf was considering doing pink raptor graphics. i was able to change her mind lol
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I hate the color pink
especially on stangs
I have nvr seen it look good
and I dnt think pink belongs on stangs anyways
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when i was a kid my mom sold mary kay...all she could dream about was that pink cadillac they give u for selln a whole bunch of that stuff (on a 2yr lease only).
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all the car does is widen the injector pulse width, to allow more fuel. they dont have bigger lines or any of that crap. when the 02's detect lean, the computer just adds more fuel. efi cars have operated that way a long time. only difference is they put a sticker on it that says flex fuel. hence the reason all efi cars burn it faster...all computers detect lean..increase injector pulse width...puts more fuel in cylinder...your vehicle gulps the **** down faster than 100 percent gas. it works the same rather u have an 88 taurus or a 2011 taurus.

i use to work in the enviromental and petro-chem recovery for years. i know wuts hype, and wuts real. the original plan was to convert the whole country to e85...so they couldnt have a fuel that half the country couldnt run on. just like back in the day when everyone thought their leaded cars wouldnt run on unleaded.

e85 has been around for a very, very long time. way before anyone even heard of flex fuel ppl were putting it in ther cars and not knowing it.

everyone here has pumped it at least once within the past 15yrs and most likely didnt know it.

im not tryn to sound like a smart ***... but like i said, i used to do petro-chem for a living, my dad is an environmental engineer and use to sell fuel internationaly.

e85 has been sold at pumps around the u.s. since the late 80's
Thats not even close to how it works! Ill even start a new thread if you want and we can see what others have to say about how it works!
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K that is some pretty funny stuff....nobody listen to this guy...worked in the petro-chem field for years...sure bud....I wonder if you ever filled out a report and if so what did they think of your assassination of the English language....and I don't understand why you would spell wut when what is only an extra letter...hard to take anything you write seriously when you can't spell...or are to lazy
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[QUOTE=Everett;818237]K that is some pretty funny stuff....nobody listen to this guy...worked in the petro-chem field for years...sure bud....I wonder if you ever filled out a report and if so what did they think of your assassination of the English language....and I don't understand why you would spell wut when what is only an extra letter...hard to take anything you write seriously when you can't spell...or are to lazy

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K that is some pretty funny stuff....nobody listen to this guy...worked in the petro-chem field for years...sure bud....I wonder if you ever filled out a report and if so what did they think of your assassination of the English language....and I don't understand why you would spell wut when what is only an extra letter...hard to take anything you write seriously when you can't spell...or are to lazy
wut kinda report? ust closure reports, geo-tech reports, ground water potentiometric maps, geo-probe placement maps, phase 1, 2, or 3 site assesments...general corrective action plans...commercial waste water treatment for heavy metals, soil remediation for hydro-carbons..bio (microbes) and conventional. ive even done nuclear density testing on soils for proctors

ive done petro-chem work for b.p., speedway/superamerica, frito-lay, u.p.s., coca-cola, just to name a few. and i used to be the primary haz-mat/ emergency response contractor for 3 counties in northern ky.

seriously, if your an industry professional..then throw something at me. the only materials i dont deal with is asbestos (because of cost insurance) and radioactive (cause it's radioactive).

you guys can say "wut" u want bout my short hand... but who cares when u got spell check anyway?
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