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Old 08-15-2011, 07:55 PM   #1
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New clucth triple quadrant and firewall adjuster .I bought the clutch(king conta) because it was hard to shift I figured the clutch was worn.it grinds in every gear ,not as much if I really ram it in their.when I'm driving and push the clutch in it sounds like the clutch is releasing.I have adjusted it everywere from half the pedal has slop , to no slop at all.one thing that was weird when I went to put the new pilot bearing on it did not fit.I called the place that I bought the clutch from and confirmed it was the right bearing.my shaft was smaller which makes me think that previous owner messed the shaft up and turned it down or the trans was from a different make.the bearing was good so I reused it.also the car was originally an auto.if it was a syncro it would do it in only in certain gears right?is my trans messed up.any ideas?please help.
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New clucth triple quadrant and firewall adjuster .I bought the clutch(king conta) because it was hard to shift I figured the clutch was worn.it grinds in every gear ,not as much if I really ram it in their.when I'm driving and push the clutch in it sounds like the clutch is releasing.I have adjusted it everywere from half the pedal has slop , to no slop at all.one thing that was weird when I went to put the new pilot bearing on it did not fit.I called the place that I bought the clutch from and confirmed it was the right bearing.my shaft was smaller which makes me think that previous owner messed the shaft up and turned it down or the trans was from a different make.the bearing was good so I reused it.also the car was originally an auto.if it was a syncro it would do it in only in certain gears right?is my trans messed up.any ideas?please help.
The issue with the pilot bearing makes me think that someone used a transmission from behind a smaller engine in your car.
It is also possible that all of the synchros in your transmission are worn or damaged.
I believe you can get a rebuild kit for around $250 for a standard T5.
Somewhere in all of the thousands of files I have stored on my PC I have an article on how to rebuild the T5's, so you could do it yourself and save the labor costs if you wanted to.

Why don't you get the numbers off of the transmission and any tags on it you can find and post them up here. Then we will see if we can figure out exactly what you have.
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The issue with the pilot bearing makes me think that someone used a transmission from behind a smaller engine in your car.
It is also possible that all of the synchros in your transmission are worn or damaged.
I believe you can get a rebuild kit for around $250 for a standard T5.
Somewhere in all of the thousands of files I have stored on my PC I have an article on how to rebuild the T5's, so you could do it yourself and save the labor costs if you wanted to.

Why don't you get the numbers off of the transmission and any tags on it you can find and post them up here. Then we will see if we can figure out exactly what you have.
Will do ,give me a day or so I will get under there.
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Will do ,give me a day or so I will get under there.
That will be fine.
In a couple of days I have to go in for some pre-surgery tests, so I may be out for a bit.
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That will be fine.
In a couple of days I have to go in for some pre-surgery tests, so I may be out for a bit.
Be patient and I will be back to help you as soon as I can.
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That will be fine.
In a couple of days I have to go in for some pre-surgery tests, so I may be out for a bit.
Be patient and I will be back to help you as soon as I can.
Good luck with the tests an surgery

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The issue with the pilot bearing makes me think that someone used a transmission from behind a smaller engine in your car.
It is also possible that all of the synchros in your transmission are worn or damaged.
I believe you can get a rebuild kit for around $250 for a standard T5.
Somewhere in all of the thousands of files I have stored on my PC I have an article on how to rebuild the T5's, so you could do it yourself and save the labor costs if you wanted to.

Why don't you get the numbers off of the transmission and any tags on it you can find and post them up here. Then we will see if we can figure out exactly what you have.
Definitely sounds like a non W/C tranny
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New clucth triple quadrant and firewall adjuster .I bought the clutch(king conta) because it was hard to shift I figured the clutch was worn.it grinds in every gear ,not as much if I really ram it in their.when I'm driving and push the clutch in it sounds like the clutch is releasing.I have adjusted it everywere from half the pedal has slop , to no slop at all.one thing that was weird when I went to put the new pilot bearing on it did not fit.I called the place that I bought the clutch from and confirmed it was the right bearing.my shaft was smaller which makes me think that previous owner messed the shaft up and turned it down or the trans was from a different make.the bearing was good so I reused it.also the car was originally an auto.if it was a syncro it would do it in only in certain gears right?is my trans messed up.any ideas?please help.
Have you made sure the clutch arm is on the pivot ball? I had issues with mine only clipping on one side and it took me a while to figure it out.
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Have you made sure the clutch arm is on the pivot ball? I had issues with mine only clipping on one side and it took me a while to figure it out.
It did this problem before and after the install.no I haven't double checked that.can I see it through the hole the fork goes in?or do I just wiggle it?if the trans was from another car can the input shaft be to short,or the bell housing to big?in pulling the numbers today and ill look at the fork.
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It did this problem before and after the install.no I haven't double checked that.can I see it through the hole the fork goes in?or do I just wiggle it?if the trans was from another car can the input shaft be to short,or the bell housing to big?in pulling the numbers today and ill look at the fork.
The shaft length and bell housing are the same, the ends that go in the pilot bearing ate what differ
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You have a 2.3 t5 tranny you have to get a bearing for a 84 ranger turbo

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These should fit also
Motormite pilot bearing 14672
84 diesel 2.2 ranger 202ss
84 turbo ranger
84 turbo t bird
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You have a 2.3 t5 tranny you have to get a bearing for a 84 ranger turbo

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These should fit also
Motormite pilot bearing 14672
84 diesel 2.2 ranger 202ss
84 turbo ranger
84 turbo t bird
motormite bearing 14657
How do you know?are they the only ones that bolt to that Bell housing?
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The part of the input shaft that goes in to the pilot bearing is smaller on a 2.3 t5 tranny I have one in my car and had the same problem when I changed my clutch and the pilot bearing didn't fit that came with it so after some time on the Internet and 2 hours at autozone I got a list of ones that would work
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The issue with the pilot bearing makes me think that someone used a transmission from behind a smaller engine in your car.
It is also possible that all of the synchros in your transmission are worn or damaged.
I believe you can get a rebuild kit for around $250 for a standard T5.
Somewhere in all of the thousands of files I have stored on my PC I have an article on how to rebuild the T5's, so you could do it yourself and save the labor costs if you wanted to.

Why don't you get the numbers off of the transmission and any tags on it you can find and post them up here. Then we will see if we can figure out exactly what you have.
Trans 13-52-065-908 Borg warner. Bell housing e6zr 6394 aa

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The part of the input shaft that goes in to the pilot bearing is smaller on a 2.3 t5 tranny I have one in my car and had the same problem when I changed my clutch and the pilot bearing didn't fit that came with it so after some time on the Internet and 2 hours at autozone I got a list of ones that would work
That makes sense because my Speedo cable doesn't fit.

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Have you made sure the clutch arm is on the pivot ball? I had issues with mine only clipping on one side and it took me a while to figure it out.
I checked the fork and it seems ok but I can't really tell.it has about 1/4 to 3/8 front /back movement.is that normal
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Trans 13-52-065-908 Borg warner. Bell housing e6zr 6394 aa

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That makes sense because my Speedo cable doesn't fit.
That's a non world class from an 84 mustang/ capri 5.0. Your speedo cable should work just fine in it.

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I checked the fork and it seems ok but I can't really tell.it has about 1/4 to 3/8 front /back movement.is that normal
Mine has about an 1/8" of play. I don't believe you are supposed to have that much at all. Does it feel like it has play on the inside of the bellhousing?
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That's a non world class from an 84 mustang/ capri 5.0. Your speedo cable should work just fine in it.

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Mine has about an 1/8" of play. I don't believe you are supposed to have that much at all. Does it feel like it has play on the inside of the bellhousing?
I can't move the fork in and out.only front to back.it does that movement pretty sloppy though.
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I can't move the fork in and out.only front to back.it does that movement pretty sloppy though.
Then my guess is it's not seated on the pivot ball properly, you may have to back the tranny out to check and be 100% sure.
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That doesn't make sense that the pilot bearing doesn't fit.the only thing I can think of is someone turned the shaft down cause they filled it up by locking up the pilot bearing.

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Then my guess is it's not seated on the pivot ball properly, you may have to back the tranny out to check and be 100% sure.
When I'm not shifting but just driving and hit the clutch it realeses from the gear that it is in.is it possible that its realing just not enough?

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That doesn't make sense that the pilot bearing doesn't fit.the only thing I can think of is someone turned the shaft down cause they filled it up by locking up the pilot bearing.

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When I'm not shifting but just driving and hit the clutch it realeses from the gear that it is in.is it possible that its realing just not enough?
"releasing"
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Well you're getting the correct pilot bearing for your car. The shaft is smaller at the end on your tranny because it is a NWC, and yours was equipped with a WC from the factory.

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Yes it is possible it's not releasing enough to change gears.
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Well you're getting the correct pilot bearing for your car. The shaft is smaller at the end on your tranny because it is a NWC, and yours was equipped with a WC from the factory.
Ok that answers my question .being a direct swap I would have thought that the shaft would be the same.probably just need to swap it for WC .I will probably pull the trans anyway to check the fork.
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Try getting a bearing for an 84 5.0 mustang, that should fix the shaft problem.
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Well you're getting the correct pilot bearing for your car. The shaft is smaller at the end on your tranny because it is a NWC, and yours was equipped with a WC from the factory.

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Yes it is possible it's not releasing enough to change gears.
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Thanx for the help
No problem at all. Let us know how it goes or if you need help with anything else. I'm about to change my throw out bearing while my cars out of commission.
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Trans 13-52-065-908 Borg warner. Bell housing e6zr 6394 aa

Thanks to 93slowstang for picking up where I left off.

Here's a link to a site with more information.
Identifying a T5 5 Speed
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Anytime Trojan, was gonna put the link but the phones acting strange, and computers down.
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Thanks to 93slowstang for picking up where I left off.

Here's a link to a site with more information.
Identifying a T5 5 Speed
So the # I posted was off the case .that means that it could be wrong?i should go back and look for the tag if still there?i think I remember seeing one when I had it out, but that was like a year ago.
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Here is the list

http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Bo...T5-ID-Tags.htm
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Thanx again guys! What wouldi do without this great app/site.
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So I went back under and found a metal tag. 1352-162. Acording to your chart it is an 87 2.3 WC .are the 2.3 trans as stought?the only thing different is gear ratios right?

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So I went back under and found a metal tag. 1352-162. Acording to your chart it is an 87 2.3 WC .are the 2.3 trans as stought?the only thing different is gear ratios right?
I am just wondering because since it is a wc it might be worth rebuilding.
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So I went back under and found a metal tag. 1352-162. Acording to your chart it is an 87 2.3 WC .are the 2.3 trans as stought?the only thing different is gear ratios right?

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I am just wondering because since it is a wc it might be worth rebuilding.
It is still noticeably weaker, it's rated at 240tq. Your stock trans was 265, and 90-93 was 300.

It will be fine until you put a lot of horsepower to it.
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It is still noticeably weaker, it's rated at 240tq. Your stock trans was 265, and 90-93 was 300.

It will be fine until you put a lot of horsepower to it.
I think I might atempt the rebuild.I have been waiting over 2 years to get on the road and this is the last major problem.as long as it last a little while it will be worth it.
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I think I might atempt the rebuild.I have been waiting over 2 years to get on the road and this is the last major problem.as long as it last a little while it will be worth it.
It should last a while as long as you don't have too high of horsepower, and you don't abuse it too much. I would also get the proper input shaft bearing too if you haven't already done so.
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Does the 2.3 and 5.0 use a different clutch.i did not know this when I bought the clutch?!?
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Should be different. You need the clutch for the 5.0.
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Should be different. You need the clutch for the 5.0.
thats what i bought . i just didnt know if the 5.0 clutch was compatible with the 2.3 tran.
when i actualy did the clutch since the pilot bearing didnt fit,neither did the alignment tool.so i had to take the alignment tool and turn it down to fit bearing since the clutch was for a 5.0
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