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Old 08-10-2012, 02:22 AM   #1541
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Thanks guys, it's a relief to get my PC functioning enough to get back here. I missed talking with ya'll.
I had numerous admin duties to do and a bunch of threads to go through and I ended up staying up all night working at that and trying to get my internet links and stuff back on the browser. I'm not to sure I like this Windows 8, but you guys with smart phones will probably love it. Cheers!
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I had numerous admin duties to do and a bunch of threads to go through and I ended up staying up all night working at that and trying to get my internet links and stuff back on the browser. I'm not to sure I like this Windows 8, but you guys with smart phones will probably love it. Cheers!
I haven't kept up to speed on the windows. I have vista, live, and xp on my PCs. Is 8 the newest one? Just wondering cause I think here soon I may give my desktop to the kids and get a new laptop.
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I haven't kept up to speed on the windows. I have vista, live, and xp on my PCs. Is 8 the newest one? Just wondering cause I think here soon I may give my desktop to the kids and get a new laptop.
Yup windows 8 just came out, I built myself a new "gaming" desktop back in feb. and bought windows 7 home premium 64 bit. I don't know if I would like windows 8 or not.

Before I built my own I used a laptop with vista and a desktop with xp. So far I really like windows 7, if I really wanted to I could upgrade to windows 8 for under 100. I dabble in computers a lil bit
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Yup windows 8 just came out, I built myself a new "gaming" desktop back in feb. and bought windows 7 home premium 64 bit. I don't know if I would like windows 8 or not.

Before I built my own I used a laptop with vista and a desktop with xp. So far I really like windows 7, if I really wanted to I could upgrade to windows 8 for under 100. I dabble in computers a lil bit
Ever since windows 95 I would always not like the newest one until after the small learning curves kick in, which isn't usually to long. I'm sure once I play with whatever I get I will be fine. I used to be pretty good with them. But since I got my iPad I don't use my pc to much.
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I don't use my laptop too much cause of my iPad too. Love it, just wish they would quit having a slappy fight over flash support.
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I don't use my laptop too much cause of my iPad too. Love it, just wish they would quit having a slappy fight over flash support.
That is the one reason I like my android more than Ios. But atleast I can view PDF files now. When I first got my iPad you couldn't.
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I bought mine when the iPad 2 came out. It had more power grunt grunt grunt At that time I figured that would get it worked out. Now, I don't think it will ever support flash.
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I haven't kept up to speed on the windows. I have vista, live, and xp on my PCs. Is 8 the newest one? Just wondering cause I think here soon I may give my desktop to the kids and get a new laptop.
Yes, 8 is the newest. I don't like it much because of the "smart phone" like "desktop" and interaction system. I've done what I can to get it to work more like Win 7, which is my favorite by far.

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Yup windows 8 just came out, I built myself a new "gaming" desktop back in feb. and bought windows 7 home premium 64 bit. I don't know if I would like windows 8 or not.

Before I built my own I used a laptop with vista and a desktop with xp. So far I really like windows 7, if I really wanted to I could upgrade to windows 8 for under 100. I dabble in computers a lil bit

Win 8 for desktops and maybe laptops isn't out yet that I know of, but it is only supposed to cost around $40 from what I have read so far. What I'm using is the Win 8 consumer preview. They also have a Win 8 Release Preview out, if you want to try it click the preceding link for a download ISO that you can burn to disk to install it. I'm willing to try it as long as I can still revert portions of it back to Win 7 style, otherwise I won't be much interested in it.
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hey trojan. when you made that excel doc for me. we didnt even think about adding a log for jet sizes. if i attach the doc here are you able to edit it and add that? i can use the document just fine. but imdont have much experience with it. i cant figure out how to make the bixes around it. lol i know you have been busy lately. so if it takes a while thats fine. i want to log the last time i ran it and today. i dont know if you saw my write up thread or not but 25* makes a huge difference.
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ok. here is the result of 25*
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Can you do a WOT in any gear and obtain the results needed to fine tune for A/F?
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Can you do a WOT in any gear and obtain the results needed to fine tune for A/F?
i dont see why not. my results so far are without driving the car. these are just parked idle+revs. im sure when i take her for a spin they will change. i was gonna take it for a spin today but decided not to. im sure the extremely high a/f isnt a big deal at idle. but at wot it would be. i basically just wanted to start the log since i was getting so much variance from temp change.

the a/f actually was improving quite a bit during revs. that tells me that the issue shouldnt be fuel pump issue. that was an original concern that i had, if my pump would be sufficient. the reason i believe it improves during revs is because it is vacuuming more fuel.

i will get more into the log and what i need to improve/adjust once i take it for a spin. im not gonna do anything until i install my 1" super sucker carb spacer. the spacer actually says to decrease jet size because it will pull more fuel. since i need a little more fuel, maybe i will get lucky. if not there is still no reseason to rejet until i have it installed and can get a better idea of what i need.
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i dont see why not. my results so far are without driving the car. these are just parked idle+revs. im sure when i take her for a spin they will change. i was gonna take it for a spin today but decided not to. im sure the extremely high a/f isnt a big deal at idle. but at wot it would be. i basically just wanted to start the log since i was getting so much variance from temp change.

the a/f actually was improving quite a bit during revs. that tells me that the issue shouldnt be fuel pump issue. that was an original concern that i had, if my pump would be sufficient. the reason i believe it improves during revs is because it is vacuuming more fuel.

i will get more into the log and what i need to improve/adjust once i take it for a spin. im not gonna do anything until i install my 1" super sucker carb spacer. the spacer actually says to decrease jet size because it will pull more fuel. since i need a little more fuel, maybe i will get lucky. if not there is still no reseason to rejet until i have it installed and can get a better idea of what i need.
Yes, that would be good about the spacer. I wonder what load does in the mix, bc it can't change the air. So if it's the same air going in, seems like it wouldn't matter. Maybe if you had a ram air setup, maybe that would be another variable to account for. But that is an increase how much, but it's the same air, right? My brain hurts.
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Yes, that would be good about the spacer. I wonder what load does in the mix, bc it can't change the air. So if it's the same air going in, seems like it wouldn't matter. Maybe if you had a ram air setup, maybe that would be another variable to account for. But that is an increase how much, but it's the same air, right? My brain hurts.
These are actually good questions. I can't be sure how to answer that properly. I do know that an engine will detonate more with load. Hmmmm... Once I get better data I will definitely experiment.

This also makes me wonder why I wasn't getting detonation with that high of an a/f. But also like I said this data isn't nothing to get to crazy over yet as I didn't even drive it. I'm just gonna consider this testing equiptment. Lol

Also the sensor says that it needs to be fully warmed up before its accurate. I'm pretty sure it would have been, but not positive.

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You are just like me azure. I feel like the better I understand this stuff the better off I will be and understand other stuff. It really feels good to learn about how our cars operate.
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hey trojan. when you made that excel doc for me. we didnt even think about adding a log for jet sizes. if i attach the doc here are you able to edit it and add that? i can use the document just fine. but imdont have much experience with it. i cant figure out how to make the bixes around it. lol i know you have been busy lately. so if it takes a while thats fine. i want to log the last time i ran it and today. i dont know if you saw my write up thread or not but 25* makes a huge difference.
Yes, but I will need the actual file. What you posted is just a .jpg image of it. I had it on my PC, but it is currently locked in the corrupted drive.
Try to right click on the file and email it to me.
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Or in your email client send it as an attachment.
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Yes, but I will need the actual file. What you posted is just a .jpg image of it. I had it on my PC, but it is currently locked in the corrupted drive.
Try to right click on the file and email it to me.
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yes i know. i just didnt want to send it until you were ready. i just figured i would show everyone the current log. i wil send it now. but like i said i know you have been busy so take your time.
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These are actually good questions. I can't be sure how to answer that properly. I do know that an engine will detonate more with load. Hmmmm... Once I get better data I will definitely experiment.

This also makes me wonder why I wasn't getting detonation with that high of an a/f. But also like I said this data isn't nothing to get to crazy over yet as I didn't even drive it. I'm just gonna consider this testing equiptment. Lol

Also the sensor says that it needs to be fully warmed up before its accurate. I'm pretty sure it would have been, but not positive.

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You are just like me azure. I feel like the better I understand this stuff the better off I will be and understand other stuff. It really feels good to learn about how our cars operate.
It won't necessarily detonate because of the A/F ratio.
Detonation is caused by pre-ignition of the A/F mixture in the cylinder.
To lean and the engine combustion chamber will heat up and it can get hot enough to literally burn a hole in a piston.
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yes i know. i just didnt want to send it until you were ready. i just figured i would show everyone the current log. i wil send it now. but like i said i know you have been busy so take your time.
Sorry, I misunderstood because I did not read carefully and completely.


It won't take but a few minutes, so it's no problem and anything for my friends.
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It won't necessarily detonate because of the A/F ratio.
Detonation is caused by pre-ignition of the A/F mixture in the cylinder.
To lean and the engine combustion chamber will heat up and it can get hot enough to literally burn a hole in a piston.
ok. i do understand the detonation part. but essentially a car shouldnt detonate if it had a perfect af ratio? im sure it still could but not as likely!
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You are just like me azure. I feel like the better I understand this stuff the better off I will be and understand other stuff. It really feels good to learn about how our cars operate.
This is true for sure! I'm digging the tech talk on both the 5.0 and the 4.6.
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ok. i do understand the detonation part. but essentially a car shouldnt detonate if it had a perfect af ratio? im sure it still could but not as likely!
It can still detonate if the timing is advanced to far.
There is a fine point as the piston is coming up that you can still initiate firing of the plug.
If it fires to soon, then it pushes down on the piston as the piston is still coming up and that is the detonation that rattles the engine so hard that you can feel and hear it.
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It can still detonate if the timing is advanced to far.
There is a fine point as the piston is coming up that you can still initiate firing of the plug.
If it fires to soon, then it pushes down on the piston as the piston is still coming up and that is the detonation that rattles the engine so hard that you can feel and hear it.
So is load another variable that is needed along with spark advance? When I had my pinging, it seemed to only happen under the greater loads, where you had more traction.
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gotcha. i know that is the case. i was just kinda figuring if the a/f was right on that situation would be harder to come by. this is a pretty tricky topic! lol

all though when i was trying to adjust earlier. i was real suprised how little the timing affected the a/f mixture. i figured that fixing the a/f was gonna be as easy as retarding the timing a few degrees. but i actually tried about 8* just chits and giggles and it only changed it a littke bit. so that makes perfect sense to your previous statement. good info as alwasy trojan. :good

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@ trojan. email sent bubby. thanx again. i had already sent it to myself earlier. cause im still figuring out the excel editor app a mcbobber. so its a forward.
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thanx trojan. yours is better. i was trying but im ot very good hahaha. at least i was learning something. you are the man. im gonna load the one u sent in and save it.
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thanx trojan. yours is better. i was trying but im ot very good hahaha. at least i was learning something. you are the man. im gonna load the one u sent in and save it.
It just takes time to learn it. It's a very handy program and you can set it up with all kinds of formulas to do just about any type of mathematical equations you can think of, plus a lot of the tuners, widebands and other like components that use data logging can be fed into it through a computer to produce understandable documents and data.
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It's a matter of changing the jets in the carb...
Trust me on this you won't get a better a/f without tuning your carb!!
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