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Old 09-16-2012, 09:26 PM   #2451
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Hey guys quick question. Is there a way to check timing other then a timing light? Maybe a diagnostic tool of some sort?
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Not that I know of. Maybe on a PMS, but not sure on that. I would just get a light. They aren't that expensive.
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Well i have one lol. the problem is that my balancer faces the wrong direction and the marks are worthless. I can't figure out why, but i had it done by a shop a while ago. it runs fine. any ideas on why it could be that way?
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No that's funny.. But you can bring it up TDC and make a mark and then make a measurement from the other side and figure out how far to degree it.. Just a thought
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Well i have one lol. the problem is that my balancer faces the wrong direction and the marks are worthless. I can't figure out why, but i had it done by a shop a while ago. it runs fine. any ideas on why it could be that way?
Huh..that's a bit odd to me. But I only know the 302 is externally balanced. Maybe yours is internally balanced and the shop installed the balancer that way? Just confused because I'd think the keyway would still line up with tdc..
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Huh..that's a bit odd to me. But I only know the 302 is externally balanced. Maybe yours is internally balanced and the shop installed the balancer that way? Just confused because I'd think the keyway would still line up with tdc..
No its definitely externally balanced still. I thought it had an internal balance too, and bought an internal balance billet steel flywheel. But that was wrong, and i went and got a 50oz external (stock spec) and that was the right one. I am only curious because i can't really advance timing or anything by myself with the balancer the way it is.

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And i'd rather not replace it since it works just fine lol

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No that's funny.. But you can bring it up TDC and make a mark and then make a measurement from the other side and figure out how far to degree it.. Just a thought
Thats a pretty good idea haha never thought of that. Just make my own timing marks
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Blown. You can also do like the guys suggested but use timing tape instead of trying to mark it by hand. You can pick the tape up for less than 5$. And it has really bright numbers that show really good when using a light.
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Well i have one lol. the problem is that my balancer faces the wrong direction and the marks are worthless. I can't figure out why, but i had it done by a shop a while ago. it runs fine. any ideas on why it could be that way?
Do what? That's impossible.
Not only would the counterweight be out of place and throw it way out of balance, but how in the world would you bolt up the drive pulley correctly?


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Balancer brand name & model?
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I'll take pics as soon as I get a chance but unless there's some little part number on the back of the balancer or something I can't find Any markings besides the timing marks. I know it's weird but it seriously works the way it is lol
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I'll take pics as soon as I get a chance but unless there's some little part number on the back of the balancer or something I can't find Any markings besides the timing marks. I know it's weird but it seriously works the way it is lol
That's just it, it can't work backwards unless someone did something seriously wrong with your engine balancing and they would have to had fiddled with the flywheel balancing too. Those coupled with the difficulty in bolting up and properly aligning the pulley, would make it way to much work and effort to do otherwise.


I'm interested in seeing the photos for sure.
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I'm interested too.
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Is your timing tab on the passenger side??
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Maybe blown has a reverse rotation motor.
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Alright so here's some pics of the balancer. Any ideas?
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Is your timing tab on the passenger side??
Yes the timing tab is on the passenger side. I don't think it could go anywhere else could it?

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There are literally no marks other then the timing marks, not even a part number. It's kind of irritating
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Yes the timing tab is on the passenger side. I don't think it could go anywhere else could it?

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There are literally no marks other then the timing marks, not even a part number. It's kind of irritating
well. are the numbers on the mark upside down? that should tell us if its on backwards?
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well. are the numbers on the mark upside down? that should tell us if its on backwards?
Nope they face the right direction
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you have a pic of the actual timing marks and pointer?
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Maybe blown has a reverse rotation motor.
Duh!..of course it's a northern hemisphere counterclockwise rotating assembly DOY!..lol
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ok fellas. i may have come across a free source to cnc burn me something to add to the center of my cover. my original thought (via TH) was to use a running pony. that still maybe the idea, but i have a few others. ill post some pictures and you guys tell me what you think would be sick in the center of the diff cover. now before you guys choose, keep in mind. the piece will only be the outline of the pic. that means no shading, features, etc etc. this source isnt a for sure thing. but tomorrow im gonna bring him some templates of my choice and hopefully he can do it. also i am gonna try to make this piece 1 1/2" x 5" but it can be larger, that would just be would be optimum size. and if this guy cant do it, i will just do it on the plasma.
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I like the running horse but 5.0 in the middle
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I like the running horse but 5.0 in the middle
are you referring the the running horse with the gt? if so i wont be able to add anything into the middle. that is unless it is cutout of it. but im not very photoshop literate. may e i could make 2 template and cut the 5.0 out myself?
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Duh!..of course it's a northern hemisphere counterclockwise rotating assembly DOY!..lol
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you have a pic of the actual timing marks and pointer?
The first picture does have the timing marks in it. It was dark sp they didn't show up to well with my phone camera. I didn't take a picture of the pointer but I will try to tomorrow.

The marks have the top of the numbers towards the motor, that's the right way right?
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I think the plain running horse would look good.
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Why does nobody like my running horse idea ...
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Alright so here's some pics of the balancer. Any ideas?
Yes, your balancer is on correctly. They have some type of jury rigged spacer to push the pulley out, is what it looks like to me.
See the cut out area on the back of the balancer?
That always goes toward the engine.


Clean off the timing marks and numbers really good, then wipe a white paint stick over them to embed the paint in the grooves so you can see the marks & numbers better.
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ok fellas. i may have come across a free source to cnc burn me something to add to the center of my cover. my original thought (via TH) was to use a running pony. that still maybe the idea, but i have a few others. ill post some pictures and you guys tell me what you think would be sick in the center of the diff cover. now before you guys choose, keep in mind. the piece will only be the outline of the pic. that means no shading, features, etc etc. this source isnt a for sure thing. but tomorrow im gonna bring him some templates of my choice and hopefully he can do it. also i am gonna try to make this piece 1 1/2" x 5" but it can be larger, that would just be would be optimum size. and if this guy cant do it, i will just do it on the plasma.
I like the running horse the best, but how about: 2 horseshoes UU
1 horseshoe with 5.0 in the middle
1 horseshoe with the running pony in the middle
2 horseshoes with "Cowboy Up" across them......
.......or just a horse's butt and tail?
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Why does nobody like my running horse idea ...
Steve, I love "your little pony".
I think you should keep it to put on your car if no one else likes it.
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Yes, your balancer is on correctly. They have some type of jury rigged spacer to push the pulley out, is what it looks like to me.
See the cut out area on the back of the balancer?
That always goes toward the engine.


Clean off the timing marks and numbers really good, then wipe a white paint stick over them to embed the paint in the grooves so you can see the marks & numbers better.
The pulley is just made that way all one piece. Its got two pulleys one you can't see in the picture for the S/C. I will paint the marks and take some more pics, but any idea why the marks are so off? Cuz so far as i know the balancer can only go on one way because of that keyhole on the back of it. And a flywheel only goes on one way as well, How could it be wrong?

The reason its just now bothering me is that i am trying to install a methanol injection setup, but i can't do that until i can play with the timing.
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The pulley is just made that way all one piece. Its got two pulleys one you can't see in the picture for the S/C. I will paint the marks and take some more pics, but any idea why the marks are so off? Cuz so far as i know the balancer can only go on one way because of that keyhole on the back of it. And a flywheel only goes on one way as well, How could it be wrong?

The reason its just now bothering me is that i am trying to install a methanol injection setup, but i can't do that until i can play with the timing.
I'm curious to see the marks. Because they do go both ways of 0* .
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I'm curious to see the marks. Because they do go both ways of 0* .
Okay well i should be going to put the tranny in this afternoon. So i will paint them and try to get clearer pictures.
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The pulley is just made that way all one piece. Its got two pulleys one you can't see in the picture for the S/C. I will paint the marks and take some more pics, but any idea why the marks are so off? Cuz so far as i know the balancer can only go on one way because of that keyhole on the back of it. And a flywheel only goes on one way as well, How could it be wrong?

The reason its just now bothering me is that i am trying to install a methanol injection setup, but i can't do that until i can play with the timing.
That pulley is unlike anything I have ever seen on a 5.0.


The timing marks may be off because your balancer has slipped the outer ring.
If that is a stock cast iron balancer it needs to be replaced with a steel or aluminum balancer suitable to use with a supercharger. The supercharger puts a lot of stress on the end of the crankshaft and balancer, so it needs to be of better material to be able to withstand those stresses.


P.S. You don't want to "play" with the timing unless you have a tuner and wideband to be able to see what your changes are really doing. Otherwise you stand a really good chance of destroying your engine.



dream, did you see my other suggestions for your project above?
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That pulley is unlike anything I have ever seen on a 5.0.


The timing marks may be off because your balancer has slipped the outer ring.
If that is a stock cast iron balancer it needs to be replaced with a steel or aluminum balancer suitable to use with a supercharger. The supercharger puts a lot of stress on the end of the crankshaft and balancer, so it needs to be of better material to be able to withstand those stresses.


P.S. You don't want to "play" with the timing unless you have a tuner and wideband to be able to see what your changes are really doing. Otherwise you stand a really good chance of destroying your engine.



dream, did you see my other suggestions for your project above?
Really? its just a double pulley set I've never thought anything of it. Well the reason i got this balancer is I spun the last one right off. I would think if the balancer slipped there would be a vibration to be noticed.

Im sure I will swap it for an SFI balancer eventually, I just took it to a shop to have it replaced, drove it away and it was fine. It still works fine, but i tried to use a timing light and discovered that at TDC the marks are nowhere near the marker.

I mean I have a wideband, and fuel press gauge, but no PMS or anything. My chip is calibrated for my injectors and boost, do you really think I couldn't do a methanol setup with some timing and fuel pressure adjustment?
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