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Old 12-10-2011, 11:16 PM   #36
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Even if.. They have to charge it at the store cause if it is bad I have a warranty so they have to verify it with their charger
If their charger is working correctly and your battery will hold a full charge and has been pre-charged by you, their charger should show that right away and negate the need for them to keep it overnight.

It just sounds like a ploy to discourage people from bringing in those types of batteries for testing to me?
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If their charger is working correctly and your battery will hold a full charge and has been pre-charged by you, their charger should show that right away and negate the need for them to keep it overnight.

It just sounds like a ploy to discourage people from bringing in those types of batteries for testing to me?
It's possible. I think it's only if you want to have the battery replaced under warranty do they have to charge it in theirs
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Ok, Let us know what you find and good luck that it will be something inexpensive and simple.
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Re: Starting issues

Great Troubleshooting tips guys. I started having the same issues on my 91' yesterday right before I went to work. This will help me out today. Also thanks for posting those pics.


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Old 12-13-2011, 09:27 PM   #40
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Well its the starter. I got it out and the header is in the way. So I can't get it out all the way
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Old 12-13-2011, 09:31 PM   #41
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Long tube headers?...
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Then I would definitely look at gettin a mini starter as TH stated...the heat from the headers could've been part of the death of your starter..and will help insalling and removing it as well!..
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Then I would definitely look at gettin a mini starter as TH stated...the heat from the headers could've been part of the death of your starter..and will help insalling and removing it as well!..
Well that's what I plan on doing. So I probably will have to remove the header to get it out?
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Unfortunately yes long tube headers have there pros and cons...clearance issues, removal and insatllation are a few of the cons..
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Unfortunately yes long tube headers have there pros and cons...clearance issues, removal and insatllation are a few of the cons..
Do I have to unbolt completely or can I unbolt partly and try and pull it over a bit?
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You may be able to unbolt the exhaust at the collector, then just loosen the headers at the head then try to sneak the starter out...I guess it depends on how much more clearance you need!..or if anything just leave one bolt in towards the font of the engine so you can try swinging the header a little bit...
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You may be able to unbolt the exhaust at the collector, then just loosen the headers at the head then try to sneak the starter out...I guess it depends on how much more clearance you need!..or if anything just leave one bolt in towards the font of the engine so you can try swinging the header a little bit...
Not much. Will I need to replace the gasket for the header?
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If the gasket is in good shape it can be reused..being that you have aftermarket headers im sure the gaskets are probably felpro, kooks or something similar..but on the other hand if you plan on replacing them now is the time!..they only run about 15-30$ depending on what brand...
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If the gasket is in good shape it can be reused..being that you have aftermarket headers im sure the gaskets are probably felpro, kooks or something similar..but on the other hand if you plan on replacing them now is the time!..they only run about 15-30$ depending on what brand...
The headers are actually a custom build. The motor was just done so gaskets are all brand new. I think I may just unbolt from the collector and see if I can just push the header out some just to get clearance. Dies anyone know if I need anything different( solenoid) in order to go to a mini starter?
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I wouldn't think you'd need a different one...dont quote me on that,but as long as it works I think it'll be fine..
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I would not try bending the headers you might crack a weld
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If you get a mini starter from advanced and they want a core they might not accept your old starter. Had that happen to me with an old dodge truck I had long tubes on, ordered a mini starter (basically a dodge Dakota starter) and when I went to get it and give them my old starter they refused to take it and ended up having to pay the core on top of the price of the starter :/
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If you get a mini starter from advanced and they want a core they might not accept your old starter. Had that happen to me with an old dodge truck I had long tubes on, ordered a mini starter (basically a dodge Dakota starter) and when I went to get it and give them my old starter they refused to take it and ended up having to pay the core on top of the price of the starter :/
When I replaced the starter in my 87 5.0L with a smaller starter from a 95 GT @ advance auto where I live they took the old one as core np. Maybe it will depend on who's working and how much they know. Maybe the issue you had was crossing models? I believe they list the newer starters as a replacement option for older fox cars. Not positive as its been 3-4 years since I went through starter issues on my 87.
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When I replaced the starter in my 87 5.0L with a smaller starter from a 95 GT @ advance auto where I live they took the old one as core np. Maybe it will depend on who's working and how much they know. Maybe the issue you had was crossing models? I believe they list the newer starters as a replacement option for older fox cars. Not positive as its been 3-4 years since I went through starter issues on my 87.
Can anyone confirm this? I looked at the starter for a 94 and 95 looks like it mounts the same
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Can anyone confirm this? I looked at the starter for a 94 and 95 looks like it mounts the same
Still a fox body platform so I would think they do!..
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Still a fox body platform so I would think they do!..
And it's smaller?
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And it's smaller?
Than the 87 starter... Yes
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Old 12-18-2011, 01:20 AM   #59
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Since you have a 351W (5.8) this might be a better choice for you.
Brand new, no core, $65 and it is from a site sponsor/vendor so you might get a discount. However as it is much cheaper than the 5.0 starter at $119 I wouldn't count on it.

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Since you have a 351W (5.8) this might be a better choice for you.
Brand new, no core, $65 and it is from a site sponsor/vendor so you might get a discount. However as it is much cheaper than the 5.0 starter at $119 I wouldn't count on it.

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Man I already bought the 5.0 it was 50 bucks so not to bad ill check out the link

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Only other issue the solenoid is mounted in the starter can I still use my original and not use the one on the starter?
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Man I already bought the 5.0 it was 50 bucks so not to bad ill check out the link

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Only other issue the solenoid is mounted in the starter can I still use my original and not use the one on the starter?
Yes, you can put a bypass strap/wire to use only the fender mounted solenoid.
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Yes, you can put a bypass strap/wire to use only the fender mounted solenoid.
Any instructions?
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Like this. (This is a Chevy starter, but it should be similar.)
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Like this. (This is a Chevy starter, but it should be similar.)
Ok so it's just a piece of metal that goes across? Can I pick it up from autozone or something?
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Ok so it's just a piece of metal that goes across? Can I pick it up from autozone or something?
Unless you have a starter rebuild shop in town, you will probably have to fabricate one.
Try to make it out of copper or brass so it does not corrode.
I usually just split a piece of soft copper tubing and flatten it out to fabricate electrical bus bars like that.
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Unless you have a starter rebuild shop in town, you will probably have to fabricate one.
Try to make it out of copper or brass so it does not corrode.
I usually just split a piece of soft copper tubing and flatten it out to fabricate electrical bus bars like that.
Alright and then I would just hook the starter cable up to the bigger post
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Alright and then I would just hook the starter cable up to the bigger post
The cable from your fender mounted solenoid connects to the large top post.
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The cable from your fender mounted solenoid connects to the large top post.
Sorry for all the questions but what holds the fabed strap down?
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Sorry for all the questions but what holds the fabed strap down?
There should be a nut on the stud to hold it down.
If not get a brass or bronze nut.
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Re: Starting issues

While we're on the issue, I'm going to need a starter soon as well. like, now haha.
Will a '94 3.8 v6 starter work on a '94 5.0?
I went to Oreilly's online store, looked up the different car's starters and the part numbers are the same.

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just checked autozone too.
Part numbers are the same, and the alternators are also the same.
Sounds like it's time dig up that old V6 and swap some parts
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