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Old 12-23-2011, 09:38 PM   #71
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So I've decided to wire the solenoid on the starter anyone care to share the proper way of doing it? Can I just use a starter wire for the second connection
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So I've decided to wire the solenoid on the starter anyone care to share the proper way of doing it? Can I just use a starter wire for the second connection
Battery cable to the big post, wire from ignition switch to the small post.

But for tuning and working on the engine it's much easier to keep the fender mounted solenoid working.
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Well a guy at this starter rebuild shop said I should take the wire that goes to the battery move it over to the the post with the wire that connects to the starter and take another wire to the post that I moved the one wire over then run the new wire to the solenoid on the starter
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Well a guy at this starter rebuild shop said I should take the wire that goes to the battery move it over to the the post with the wire that connects to the starter and take another wire to the post that I moved the one wire over then run the new wire to the solenoid on the starter
Well, take your choice, but if you hook the battery cable to the post that has the wire going into the starter, then your starter will start running and not shut off until you remove the cable.
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Well, take your choice, but if you hook the battery cable to the post that has the wire going into the starter, then your starter will start running and not shut off until you remove the cable.
So I should not use the solenoid on the starter? Just use the bypass method?
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So I should not use the solenoid on the starter? Just use the bypass method?
I have not had one of those starters apart so I cannot be sure, but I think you may have to wire it up so it activates the starter drive (pushes the starter gear forward to contact the flywheel starter ring).

By wiring it as I described before with the small bus bar, when you turn on the switch and activate the top fenderwell mounted solenoid it sends voltage/current through that solenoid to the starter mounted solenoid. When the voltage/current hits the starter mounted solenoid top post it also goes through the small bus bar to activate that solenoid to turn the starter and engage the starter drive.
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I have not had one of those starters apart so I cannot be sure, but I think you may have to wire it up so it activates the starter drive (pushes the starter gear forward to contact the flywheel starter ring).

By wiring it as I described before with the small bus bar, when you turn on the switch and activate the top fenderwell mounted solenoid it sends voltage/current through that solenoid to the starter mounted solenoid. When the voltage/current hits the starter mounted solenoid top post it also goes through the small bus bar to activate that solenoid to turn the starter and engage the starter drive.
Is there a diagram I can look at?
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Is there a diagram I can look at?
I found this on the internet, so disregard what I was telling you before. I was not aware that those starters would backfeed. This is how you should wire it.
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I found this on the internet, so disregard what I was telling you before. I was not aware that those starters would backfeed. This is how you should wire it.
So the battery and starter cable are in the same post?
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IMO...you are having issues with your starter...so why would you add another possible symptom to this?...
Now you have two solenoids!..if one goes bad you can no longer use the method of jumping it to start it!!..
Sorry for posting so late about this, but was this starter the only one you could find?...personally I would return it and eliminate that extra solenoid!....if it wasn't there I think you would've already saved yourself from this headache!!..
PS this is only my opinion im just trying to help!...
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IMO...you are having issues with your starter...so why would you add another possible symptom to this?...
Now you have two solenoids!..if one goes bad you can no longer use the method of jumping it to start it!!..
Sorry for posting so late about this, but was this starter the only one you could find?...personally I would return it and eliminate that extra solenoid!....if it wasn't there I think you would've already saved yourself from this headache!!..
PS this is only my opinion im just trying to help!...
Well I'm looking to exchange it for a mini starter due to clearance issues with the headers and heat soak. I'm not sure If they make high torque mini starter with out the starter mounted solenoid
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Well I'm looking to exchange it for a mini starter due to clearance issues with the headers and heat soak. I'm not sure I they and high torque mini starter with out the starter mounted solenoid
+ 1 I think you'd be happier goin that route!..
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+ 1 I think you'd be happier goin that route!..
I edited my last post auto correct on phone lol. But I'm not sure if they make a high torque mini starter with out the solenoid mounted
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So the battery and starter cable are in the same post?
Yes they are.
They use the fender solenoid to isolate the starter solenoid to prevent any backfeeding of current which will damage the EFI system.
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IMO...you are having issues with your starter...so why would you add another possible symptom to this?...
Now you have two solenoids!..if one goes bad you can no longer use the method of jumping it to start it!!..
Sorry for posting so late about this, but was this starter the only one you could find?...personally I would return it and eliminate that extra solenoid!....if it wasn't there I think you would've already saved yourself from this headache!!..
PS this is only my opinion im just trying to help!...
Read the text on the diagram.
They use the fender solenoid to isolate the starter solenoid to prevent backfeeding into the EFI system.
All of the mini starters are made that way because the solenoid also activates the starter drive to engage the starter.
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Read the text on the diagram.
They use the fender solenoid to isolate the starter solenoid to prevent backfeeding into the EFI system.
All of the mini starters are made that way because the solenoid also activates the starter drive to engage the starter.
Ok I will order the starter and the heat shield on Tuesday and give it a shot because there is no way the new clunky starter is going to fit
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http://media.latemodelrestoration.co...ns/pa-1806.pdf


Here is another set instructions. Confused
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http://media.latemodelrestoration.co...ns/pa-1806.pdf


Here is another set instructions. Confused
That's pretty much like the diagram I posted except they are trying to cover several years of cars. Mine is just for our Fox Bodies.
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That's pretty much like the diagram I posted except they are trying to cover several years of cars. Mine is just for our Fox Bodies.
Alright I'll give it ago. Still confused on which wire moves to what post. I guess worst case it won't turn off and I'll just disconnect. Thanks for the help happy holidays
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:25 AM   #90
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Will a starter wire work for the second wire off the fender mounted solenoid
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Will a starter wire work for the second wire off the fender mounted solenoid
The one that goes to the smaller post on the starter mounted solenoid?
If so, yes it should as long as it is a #12 gauge or larger.
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Also Ive looked around and alot of diagrams are showing the battery cable connected to the left but mine is connected on the right
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Also Ive looked around and alot of diagrams are showing the battery cable connected to the left but mine is connected on the right
The left side is where it should be connected.
Some one wired it up wrong.
However, the two big posts lead to the solenoid contacts and it will work either way, but it may have a tendency to burn up the contacts sooner since it is feeding power through the solenoid backwards.
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The left side is where it should be connected.
Some one wired it up wrong.
However, the two big posts lead to the solenoid contacts and it will work either way, but it may have a tendency to burn up the contacts sooner since it is feeding power through the solenoid backwards.
Is there any difference in newer models I think I have a older model solenoid based on pictures I've seen
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Is there any difference in newer models I think I have a older model solenoid based on pictures I've seen

Not that Im aware of.
There are many types of solenoids and as long as they will carry the current needed for your vehicle and are for the correct voltage, those that match your needs can be made to fit and work properly.
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Not that Im aware of.
There are many types of solenoids and as long as they will carry the current needed for your vehicle and are for the correct voltage, those that match your needs can be made to fit and work properly.
Do you know the standard size of the solenoid post 3/8 5/8?
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Do you know the standard size of the solenoid post 3/8 5/8?
I think it's a 3/8" x 16 thd, but some may be metric nowadays.
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Not that Im aware of.
There are many types of solenoids and as long as they will carry the current needed for your vehicle and are for the correct voltage, those that match your needs can be made to fit and work properly.
I'm trying to figure out which side of the solenoid I can run the constant power from does it matter
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I'm trying to figure out which side of the solenoid I can run the constant power from does it matter
Constant power needs should be connected to the battery connection side.
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Constant power needs should be connected to the battery connection side.
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If that isn't it, clean your battery connectors and check the battery cables and make sure they're connected everywhere. I had a loose cable and would only get a click sometimes too
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