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Old 02-27-2012, 06:01 PM   #1
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Ok so I've looked over the threads and have not found any info on the question I have so here it is. Has anyone bought the hellion turbo kit for their fox body? If so please provide any info such as power increase, ease of installation, and possibly anything else to add to the laundry list.
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Ok so I've looked over the threads and have not found any info on the question I have so here it is. Has anyone bought the hellion turbo kit for their fox body? If so please provide any info such as power increase, ease of installation, and possibly anything else to add to the laundry list.
I know on3 performance sells a turbo kit for for like 1,300 has everything u need for 8 lbs of of boost a friend of myn made 400hp and 420trq with a pretty much stock motor
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I've seen that but I was really wanting the hellion kit. I've spoken to them and it's about 4500 for everything. That's a welbro fuel pump, maf conversion kit, 42 lbs injectors from ford racing, headers, cross pipe, 61mm turbonetics, bov, waste gate, air filter, and other necessities. There is an installer close to me as well. So, if it was to much I could drop it off. There is other things that I can not think of right now. How easy is the on3 performance kit?
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Ok so I've looked over the threads and have not found any info on the question I have so here it is. Has anyone bought the hellion turbo kit for their fox body? If so please provide any info such as power increase, ease of installation, and possibly anything else to add to the laundry list.
I have not bought one, but I have researched them in the past.
The Hellion kits are very well put together with good quality components.
They are a bit expensive, but they are ranked as one of the best and most complete kits available by numerous magazines and installers.


Read through the Superchargers & Turbos thread and make sure you have properly prepared your engine to withstand the extra stress and pressures that forced induction will put on your engine. I seriously suggest that you add the main stud and valley girdles to help strengthen your block.
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I was only going to run 8-9lbs of boost. According to them that is ok for a stock motor. I was not going to put to much boost to it until I build it or drop a crate engine in. Any suggestions on exhaust?
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I was only going to run 8-9lbs of boost. According to them that is ok for a stock motor. I was not going to put to much boost to it until I build it or drop a crate engine in. Any suggestions on exhaust?
I can only agree to disagree with their statement. They are the experts after all.
However, they are selling you something, I am not. See the difference?


The 5.0 stock block is a thinwall casting and as such it is subject to flexing and distortion from increased HP and TQ. Any small amount of detonation and block flex can quickly destroy the engine. The main and valley girdles help strengthen the block to guard against this flex and distortion.


I have seen it stated over and over that they are good for up to 500 HP, which IF they are kept properly tuned and not pounded on excessively, they are capable of holding up pretty well.
More 5.0 engines have been destroyed at power levels below that 500 HP number than above it.


There is a reason for that too.


People have read about the magic 500 HP safe level and believing that their engine producing less power was safe from destruction, they were not as diligent about keeping it properly tuned, not pounding on it excessively or strengthening their blocks to begin with.
That in turn led to the eventual destruction of their engines.


Ultimately the choice is yours, I only offer advice and information gathered from my years of experience and research into modifying these engines and making them live a reasonably long life while doing so.

With a boosted engine I would suggest a minimum exhaust/muffler size of 2.5" pipe.
Larger pipe and mufflers will be needed for higher boost and HP applications.


Good luck with your project.
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I can only agree to disagree with their statement. They are the experts after all.
However, they are selling you something, I am not. See the difference?

The 5.0 stock block is a thinwall casting and as such it is subject to flexing and distortion from increased HP and TQ. Any small amount of detonation and block flex can quickly destroy the engine. The main and valley girdles help strengthen the block to guard against this flex and distortion.

I have seen it stated over and over that they are good for up to 500 HP, which IF they are kept properly tuned and not pounded on excessively, they are capable of holding up pretty well.
More 5.0 engines have been destroyed at power levels below that 500 HP number than above it.

There is a reason for that too.

People have read about the magic 500 HP safe level and believing that their engine producing less power was safe from destruction, they were not as diligent about keeping it properly tuned, not pounding on it excessively or strengthening their blocks to begin with.
That in turn led to the eventual destruction of their engines.

Ultimately the choice is yours, I only offer advice and information gathered from my years of experience and research into modifying these engines and making them live a reasonably long life while doing so.

With a boosted engine I would suggest a minimum exhaust/muffler size of 2.5" pipe.
Larger pipe and mufflers will be needed for higher boost and HP applications.

Good luck with your project.
this good advise top to bottom!
I'll add that most everything I read says to step up to 3" pipe @ around 350hp, and being that your application will be turbo that will be my advise too. I have two friends w/ modded turbo cars, one a square body Supra and the other a impreza wagon. Both use 3" pipe and are under 350hp, their word to me were n/a cars work well with some back pressure, turbos truly love 0 back pressure.
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Thank you for the advise Trojan horse. I will keep it in mind. It's going to be a daily driver so do you think it should be fine if I don't drive it like a tuner who doesn't leave first gear when driving everywhere? And witch exhaust do you prefer? How long have you owned your mustang?

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Thank you deadsp0t. What do you own?
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1995 GT(my second 95, also had an 87LX that was carbed. Also have a 900cc sport bike.
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1995 GT(my second 95, also had an 87LX that was carbed. Also have a 900cc sport bike.
What have you done to your GT?
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O/R H-pipe, Mac mufflers, Mac CAI, SCT 4bank chip, MSD cap, coil, and wires, BBK strut tower brace, CJ Pony lowering springs, MM C/C plates. There are exhaust pipe flanges just past the rear end and I have the tail pipes off leaving pipes dumped facing down.

All the parts were on the car when I bought it last aug.
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O/R H-pipe, Mac mufflers, Mac CAI, SCT 4bank chip, MSD cap, coil, and wires, BBK strut tower brace, CJ Pony lowering springs, MM C/C plates. There are exhaust pipe flanges just past the rear end and I have the tail pipes off leaving pipes dumped facing down.

All the parts were on the car when I bought it last aug.
My list is shorter. I have a bbk CAI, and pulley kit but not installed yet. And no muffler because it fell of. Lucky for me here in Oregon... NO SMOG!!!
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My list is shorter. I have a bbk CAI, and pulley kit but not installed yet. And no muffler because it fell of. Lucky for me here in Oregon... NO SMOG!!!
Nice! Same here in NC. Is your car speed density or has MAF been retro fitted? If not of suggest switching over to Mass Air before adding boost.
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Nice! Same here in NC. Is your car speed density or has MAF been retro fitted? If not of suggest switching over to Mass Air before adding boost.
It will have to be but I was going to anyways. They have a package that includes maf conversation kit, injectors, and fuel pump.
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Thank you for the advise Trojan horse. I will keep it in mind. It's going to be a daily driver so do you think it should be fine if I don't drive it like a tuner who doesn't leave first gear when driving everywhere? And witch exhaust do you prefer? How long have you owned your mustang?
If you don't pound on it too much and you are careful to keep it properly tuned and fueled, you will likely be ok, but it's that moment of weakness when someone is taunting you and you can no longer stand it that will do it in.


My preference is the Flowmaster American Thunder exhaust system.
I just like the sound and I don't mind the drone that seems to drive some people crazy.


However, I am looking at better flowing, larger exhaust systems for when I am able to complete my supercharger installation. So far it appears that Dynomax has the better flowing mufflers.


I have owned my 86 GT for approximately 15+ years now and I have owned numerous other Mustangs over the last 35 or so years. I bought the first when I was 18 years old. It was a 1973 Mach I with a 351C, 4-speed transmission and 3.50 gears, I sure wish I had been able to keep it.
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If you don't pound on it too much and you are careful to keep it properly tuned and fueled, you will likely be ok, but it's that moment of weakness when someone is taunting you and you can no longer stand it that will do it in.

My preference is the Flowmaster American Thunder exhaust system.
I just like the sound and I don't mind the drone that seems to drive some people crazy.

However, I am looking at better flowing, larger exhaust systems for when I am able to complete my supercharger installation. So far it appears that Dynomax has the better flowing mufflers.

I have owned my 86 GT for approximately 15+ years now and I have owned numerous other Mustangs over the last 35 or so years. I bought the first when I was 18 years old. It was a 1973 Mach I with a 351C, 4-speed transmission and 3.50 gears, I sure wish I had been able to keep it.
I bet she was beautiful car( Mach 1). What have you done to the 86?
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I bet she was beautiful car( Mach 1). What have you done to the 86?
A lot, with more to add, when I'm healed up.


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Wow all you need is a fiberglass kitchen sink. But that seams like it goes like a bat outta hell.
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Wow all you need is a fiberglass kitchen sink. But that seams like it goes like a bat outta hell.
I don't think I have room for the sink.
It runs pretty good, but it will be much faster after the SC installation.
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I don't think I have room for the sink.
It runs pretty good, but it will be much faster after the SC installation.
Is it going to be just a race car or street and strip type of thing?
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turbos tend to make a lil more hp per pound of boost than a s/c car. you should be ok with a stock motor at just 8lbs. if you keep the timing conservative you should be ok. ive been runnung 11lbs reliably for a few years now, with no btm box or fmu.

14-15lbs is max for a stock motor if your not running a btm box or intercooler (i still run and suggest mls head gaskets and arp studs).

i do not suggest 14-15lbs on a stock motor with turbo though. 8-10 is a good starting point if your not running an intercooler.
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Is it going to be just a race car or street and strip type of thing?
More of a street & strip car.
I have a few local disbelievers who could use some lessons in humility.
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More of a street & strip car.
I have a few local disbelievers who could use some lessons in humility.
I know how that feels. Its the same thing here. I also own an 08 Shelby GT500 but that is a special occasion car. I can only drive it on sunny 70 plus degrees.

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turbos tend to make a lil more hp per pound of boost than a s/c car. you should be ok with a stock motor at just 8lbs. if you keep the timing conservative you should be ok. ive been runnung 11lbs reliably for a few years now, with no btm box or fmu.

14-15lbs is max for a stock motor if your not running a btm box or intercooler (i still run and suggest mls head gaskets and arp studs).

i do not suggest 14-15lbs on a stock motor with turbo though. 8-10 is a good starting point if your not running an intercooler.
Thank you. What size turbo do you run?
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Thank you. What size turbo do you run?[/QUOTE]

i run a centrifugal supercharger... itsa powerdyne. im planning on running j braswells twin screw kit and upping to 15lbs as soon as i get sum money
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Thank you. What size turbo do you run?
i run a centrifugal supercharger... itsa powerdyne. im planning on running j braswells twin screw kit and upping to 15lbs as soon as i get sum money[/QUOTE]

Any other mods done?
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i run a centrifugal supercharger... itsa powerdyne. im planning on running j braswells twin screw kit and upping to 15lbs as soon as i get sum money
Any other mods done?[/QUOT]

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Yeah I am and no I can't.
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gear drive..1.7rr..e-cam (.529 total lift).... gear drive.. e7 heads with ported exhaust runners..mls head gaskets..arp head studs..70ml tb...bbk ssi intake w/1 inch plenum spacer..3.45 gear..msd box &coils..30lbs injectors... stock bottom end...powerdyne supercharger bd11-a @11psi with chinese blow-off valve lol.pretty stock overall.

itsa text book set-up. makes 420-430hp depending on dyno

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o yea, sum cheap ebay headers and bbk off road x-pipe and mac mufflers...comp .560 lift rated valve springs...and pro-m 75 calibrated for 30lbs. 255lph pump..no fmu or btm box..10 degrees initial
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Sounds like lots of time and money. How long have you had it?
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4.5 yrs i had da 92 coupe. took everything and put it in a 96. u just gotta know how to shop and where. but yea it is. i have less money in it though than guys wit slower cars.

and da aftermarket prices have calmed down a bit than when i started building the car. example..the reinforced trailng arms where 179 for upper and same price for lower. now u can get upper and lower for 179 for all. multi-layer steel head gaskets are 79-110 a piece. i bought them on line for 60 bucks shipped for the set. i paid 47 bucks for ten 30lbs injectors at junk yard, not 279 for eight.

paid 60 for the gear drive on line, instead of 130 from jegs.



i can get the car to break da wheels loose and go sideways at 50mph. thats wut makes all the time, money, effort all worth it.

having a car that makes over 400 at wheels and less than 10k in it and no car payments is wut makes it worth the effort to me.
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That is very true. I might get there someday but not anytime soon.
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I have bin considering a turbo kit just 8lbs my friend is selling a kit for. 1200 with a front mount
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I have bin considering a turbo kit just 8lbs my friend is selling a kit for. 1200 with a front mount
sounds like a real nice deal. is he including the exhaust?
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sounds like a real nice deal. is he including the exhaust?
Yea he is, already has a turbo built works block car and this was on his daily
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Yea he is, already has a turbo built works block car and this was on his daily
well go for it... see if you can get the injectors too lol. get as much stuff as possible...lol
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