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Old 03-31-2012, 11:33 AM   #1
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K folks, just picked up a 5 speed for my car. Trying to figure out if it's the 4 cylinder one or v8 one along with what oil it takes here's what I got as far as numbers all on the drivers side of the trans


Here's some numbers
Right below shifter Borg Warner looks like
13-52-056-919

On side of transmission 13-52-065-908 and right above that it says Basic 1B
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Old 03-31-2012, 11:39 AM   #2
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You have to use the metal id tag.it should be hanging off the back somewhere.the tag is the only way to know for sure because the same case can be used for different models.

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You have to use the metal id tag.it should be hanging off the back somewhere.the tag is the only way to know for sure because the same case can be used for different models.

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I kinda figured someone would say that. Short of grabbing a 4 cylinder input shaft and comparing I have no way of knowing because I don't remember seeing a tag on it anywhere. :/
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You have to use the metal id tag.it should be hanging off the back somewhere.the tag is the only way to know for sure because the same case can be used for different models.

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Identification Key to Borg-Warner T5 transmission ID Tags
+1 You need the tag.


The numbers you gave show this -
1352-056 = GM 1984 S Truck 2.0 L4 C 3.39 4.03 2.37 1.49 1.00 0.86
1352-065 = Ford 1984 Mustang/Capri 5.0 V8 U 2.76 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 0.63
So you can see how confusing it gets without the tag.


Here are some more ID numbers if you can find the tag.
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I kinda figured someone would say that. Short of grabbing a 4 cylinder input shaft and comparing I have no way of knowing because I don't remember seeing a tag on it anywhere. :/
That sux.I do know that the input shaft is smaller on the 4 cylinder trans.I don't know the specs off the top of my head.but you maybe able to Google pilot bearing sizes for 4 and 8 cylinder t5s and compare them.but it will not tell you if they are wc or not.and non wc and wc take different fluid.
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Guess I'll have to pop the bellhousing off to make sure what it is. He told me the motor and tranny came from a 89(which was blown up), the trans was still bolted to the engine when I went to get it and everything looked original as it still had the smog pump and a/c bolted to it.

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That sux.I do know that the input shaft is smaller on the 4 cylinder trans.I don't know the specs off the top of my head.but you maybe able to Google pilot bearing sizes for 4 and 8 cylinder t5s and compare them.but it will not tell you if they are wc or not.and non wc and wc take different fluid.
Well the input shaft is pretty large so I'm leaning towards a v8 trans. I'll take another look at it here after bit and see if maybe I overlooked the tag.
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Guess I'll have to pop the bellhousing off to make sure what it is. He told me the motor and tranny came from a 89(which was blown up), the trans was still bolted to the engine when I went to get it and everything looked original as it still had the smog pump and a/c bolted to it.
Like I said the pilot bearing or input shaft will only tell you if its a 4 or 8 cylinder trans.what I would do is figure out what kind of fluid an 89 takes and drain what's in there and compare it to the fluid an 89 takes.I think the older model take heavy gear oil and some take automatic transmission fluid.so the fluids for different models are different enough that you may be able to figure out what to put in there that way.
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+1 You need the tag.

The numbers you gave show this -
1352-056 = GM 1984 S Truck 2.0 L4 C 3.39 4.03 2.37 1.49 1.00 0.86
1352-065 = Ford 1984 Mustang/Capri 5.0 V8 U 2.76 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 0.63
So you can see how confusing it gets without the tag.

Here are some more ID numbers if you can find the tag.
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Me too, but it's been a long while since I considered doing anything with the Ranger other than just drive it.
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Me too, but it's been a long while since I considered doing anything with the Ranger other than just drive it.
I'm still waiting to swap my 4.0 into my jacked up 3.0 splash and it's been sitting for quite a while now :/
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I'm still waiting to swap my 4.0 into my jacked up 3.0 splash and it's been sitting for quite a while now :/
When I'm physically able I plan on trying/doing some fuel mileage mods to my 02 and maybe getting a set of light weight wheels. Other than that it will remain basically stock.
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Welp, just went out and looked for a tag. Still couldn't find one. Here's some pics of the input shaft/input shaft area.
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Welp, just went out and looked for a tag. Still couldn't find one. Here's some pics of the input shaft/input shaft area.
Hard to tell from the pics.
Maybe measure the diameter and see if you can find out what the pilot diameter should be on a V8 for comparison.


P.S. If it works and that's an aluminum front bearing cover and TOB tube, you will want to change that out to a cast iron or steel one to prevent future TOB hanging problems.


Did that transmission have gear oil or auto trans fluid in it?
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Hard to tell from the pics.
Maybe measure the diameter and see if you can find out what the pilot diameter should be on a V8 for comparison.

P.S. If it works and that's an aluminum front bearing cover and TOB tube, you will want to change that out to a cast iron or steel one to prevent future TOB hanging problems.

Did that transmission have gear oil or auto trans fluid in it?
Kk, I know a stang guy at advance auto that can probably hook me up with one of the pilot bearings to be certain. Haven't had a chance to try and drain it yet, I picked it up by myself yesterday do I'm gonna assume its not gear oil as that would probably add some weight to it as I've heard the trans is sposed to weigh in at around 75 pounds but unsure if that was dry weight or full of fluid. Will probably try and drain it later once the kids goto sleep or once te wife's comes downstairs I'll slip out to the garage and pull the drain plug, hopefully there's fluid in it still heh.
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here i dug this up. http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...p/index2.shtml
just measure the shaft and look at the chart.
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here i dug this up. http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...p/index2.shtml
just measure the shaft and look at the chart.
So I'm lookin for 7.18 length and 0.668 pilot, just tried to drain it, wasn't much left in it, I'm going to assume because they pulled it altogether and it poured out the tail shaft but it was def. not gear oil, did not have that smell, was thin and had a hint of ATF. Gonna go try and measure it now.
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It is 10 spline shaft, took the bell off and measured from the front if the trans to the tip of the input shaft, measured the diameter. Looks to be I have a factory 89 5.0 5 spd trans! Woot!
Hopefully once it's all swapped in there are no hidden gremlins, thanks for the help and the info guys!
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No problem.glad you got it figured out.
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Btw Trojan, how in the hell do you get the tob tube off? I took the 4 bolts off, gently tapped it alot with a hammer, tried to put something between the trans and tube in an attempt to pry it apart but she wouldn't budge. Got any special tricks?
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Btw Trojan, how in the hell do you get the tob tube off? I took the 4 bolts off, gently tapped it alot with a hammer, tried to put something between the trans and tube in an attempt to pry it apart but she wouldn't budge. Got any special tricks?
Smack it with a hammer a few times between the bolts. That should loosen it up.
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