500 hp

[allen1998gt]

I want a parts list of the quickest and cheapest way to 500 hp in my mustang 5.0

[dreamstang]

quick and cheap isnt the best route for that goal.

your gonna need full hci, forced induction and supporting mods.

[allen1998gt]

Ok do you have a parts list? And I've seen plenty of 5.0s pushing 500 without forced induction

[dreamstang]

it is possible but that is a tall task for a 302. i dont think you have seem many honest ones. im not an expert motor builder here is what i would recommend.

347 stroker kit (machining will be required)
pistons with reliefs
main and valley support system
205 afr heads.
for the cam i would contact a cam specialist to make sure it works perfectly with your setup
255 lpr fuel pump
32 lb injectors
intake , performer rpm2, victor jr or spider
75 mm maf matched to your injector
80 mm throttle body
1.6- 1.7 roller rockers depending on cam selection.
fuel exhaust including long tube headers.
good pushrods(check with head manufacturer)
all pieces, throttlebody intake heads etc etc be port matched.
this still may not get you there but is close to as good as you could get to your goal(if possible) imo


im sure im missing some things or maybe off a little bit on selection. anyone feel free to chime in.

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and maybe a dyno tune to squeeze it all out of there

[Trojan Horse]

1. See the Useful Info thread.

2. 500 HP without a power adder is not going to be cheap or easy.

[dreamstang]

Originally Posted by Trojan Horse

1. See the Useful Info thread.

2. 500 HP without a power adder is not going to be cheap or easy.

i agree.

did i get carried away? lol

[Trojan Horse]

Originally Posted by dreamstang

i agree.

did i get carried away? lol

Nope, I didn't read closely, but I think you are close to what the builder in the article used.

[allen1998gt]

Is it easy to make 400 hp with a 2000 dollar budget ?

[dreamstang]

Originally Posted by allen1998gt

Is it easy to make 400 hp with a 2000 dollar budget ?

Not really. Do you have any mods already?

[Trojan Horse]

Only by using a junkyard engine and a "Hail Mary" 200 HP shot of nitrous.

You can get close by using the Trickflow top end kit on your engine that makes around 360 HP.

P.S. My engine makes 405 at the crankshaft. The shortblock alone was $2500.
Edelbrock Performer RPM Heads (Port matched)
Ported Cobra Intake.
65MM TB, 75MM MAF & 24 lb Injectors.
X303 Camshaft, 1.6 Roller Rockers
BBK shorty Equal Length Headers

[allen1998gt]

How much was all that

[Trojan Horse]

Originally Posted by allen1998gt

How much was all that

A little over $5k.

[bad_little_pwny]

A wise engine builder once told me this...when it comes to building a hot rod there are 3 options fast,cheap,and reliable..he said you can choose 2 of 3..meaning fast+cheap=not reliable,fast+reliable=not cheap,and cheap+reliable=not fast..just something to keep in mind

[tbonestang]

Originally Posted by Trojan Horse

A little over $5k.

I think I'm missing something ford seems a bit hard to make hp

[Trojan Horse]

Originally Posted by tbonestang

I think I'm missing something ford seems a bit hard to make hp

Meaning?

[Bane-]

Originally Posted by bad_little_pwny

A wise engine builder once told me this...when it comes to building a hot rod there are 3 options fast,cheap,and reliable..he said you can choose 2 of 3..meaning fast+cheap=not reliable,fast+reliable=not cheap,and cheap+reliable=not fast..just something to keep in mind

+1

[captain78]

Look in sticky thread 400 hspr build stock 302 with just head swap with a carb. Afr 165 heads edlebrock intake carb 1.7 rockers.

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Sticky thread. Useful info. 4th and 5th are both on how to male 400 hspr. Out of a 302

[tbonestang]

Originally Posted by Trojan Horse

Meaning?

Prices seems a bit high for ford to make some not so impressive numbers . Not putting anyone down but if it gonna take 10000 to make a 500hp na 302 or 351 then there is something wrong . U can get a 357 making 650 hp na for 4600

[captain78]

Well according to the books for about $1500 you can get 400 hspr

[Trojan Horse]

Originally Posted by tbonestang

Prices seems a bit high for ford to make some not so impressive numbers . Not putting anyone down but if it gonna take 10000 to make a 500hp na 302 or 351 then there is something wrong . U can get a 357 making 650 hp na for 4600

Yes, quite often it does take more money to build a Ford.
My list and prices include several things that I could have done without though to be fair.


If I had utilized the stock bottom end and assembled it myself instead of buying forged pieces and having it assembled then the price would have fallen drastically from what it was and the engine would have made just as much power.
I have in the past seen 500 HP stroked 351W's assembled for around $2500 total, using bits and pieces from other Ford engines.


In my experience my buddies who built Chevrolet's usually made a bit more power than my Ford engines, but they would never last as long as my Fords did for me. It wasn't unusual for one or more of them to go through 2-3 engines in a years time. They were doing "engines per year" while I was doing "years per engine". The biggest issue with my Ford engines has always been and still is, the heads and to get a decent set I was always looking at 1k+ to replace them with something much better.


Anyways, I understand what you're saying.

[KATO]

It seems to me that the person is just more about the "numbers" thing, so just get someone who knows how to Doc numbers on Dyno printouts, and have them just Doc up your car numbers on your Dyno. Problem solved and it's the cheap way.LOL.

[tbonestang]

Originally Posted by KATO

It seems to me that the person is just more about the "numbers" thing, so just get someone who knows how to Doc numbers on Dyno printouts, and have them just Doc up your car numbers on your Dyno. Problem solved and it's the cheap way.LOL.

That's not the way but there was a guy in the latest issue of 5.0 1092 hp 96 stang dyno and that's from a dyno that the magazine did

[bad_little_pwny]

Is there a sticky on that same goal but on efi? I'm curious on seeing how it was done..cause I'm fighting the mental battle on fi vs na myself

[captain78]

No but give me a couple months and I'll tell you how it turns out lol

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Only thing is I'm goin with a radical cam and 1.6 rr. And EFI. So we will see

[Trojan Horse]

Originally Posted by bad_little_pwny

Is there a sticky on that same goal but on efi? I'm curious on seeing how it was done..cause I'm fighting the mental battle on fi vs na myself

I'm assuming you mean EFI vs Carb?


What I have understood from comparison and test articles from several of the leading Mustang magazines is that:


For all around driveability and reliability the EFI is the way to go and it produces just slightly less all out power than a carburetor.


For an all out strip car where you need to extract every last ounce of power, the carburetor has a slight edge.

[bad_little_pwny]

No I have efi now..I'm just trying to figure out if I want to go forced induction or stay all motor.

[2300turboford]

Originally Posted by bad_little_pwny

A wise engine builder once told me this...when it comes to building a hot rod there are 3 options fast,cheap,and reliable..he said you can choose 2 of 3..meaning fast+cheap=not reliable,fast+reliable=not cheap,and cheap+reliable=not fast..just something to keep in mind

Unless u have a termi

[90GTNovi2000]

Wow I caught the end of this one... yeah 500hp is a very tall task with only 2000 not happening unless u spray the hell out of it then u better start building the back up..... I have a built car with 15psi of boost only 425rwhp... If you hit the 400 mark that is good power for a street car

[bad_little_pwny]

Originally Posted by 90GTNovi2000

Wow I caught the end of this one... yeah 500hp is a very tall task with only 2000 not happening unless u spray the hell out of it then u better start building the back up..... I have a built car with 15psi of boost only 425rwhp... If you hit the 400 mark that is good power for a street car

agreed,but there is that feeling of getting use to it and just wanting more

[Trojan Horse]

Originally Posted by bad_little_pwny

No I have efi now..I'm just trying to figure out if I want to go forced induction or stay all motor.

In that case Forced Induction would be the way I would go.
To build much HP NA, you may need to run some serious compression and pretty radical camshafts which would reduce the driveability to much to suit me.

[bad_little_pwny]

I totally agree..a good example is my dads 89 fox its a 542ci engine with around 13:5.1 comp. Runs it on 116 octane with a 150 shot on it...I'll try to get some pics of it,honestly that car is my number 1 inspiration to keep working on mine

[Trojan Horse]

Originally Posted by bad_little_pwny

I totally agree..a good example is my dads 89 fox its a 542ci engine with around 13:5.1 comp. Runs it on 116 octane with a 150 shot on it...I'll try to get some pics of it,honestly that car is my number 1 inspiration to keep working on mine

Pics would be nice. Get him to join up too maybe?

[bad_little_pwny]

I'll try my best lol he's nit super savvy with computers...old school