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Old 05-27-2012, 10:35 PM   #36
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TH I'll get them out of the storage when I'm home from work. And wellllllllllll I brag a little hahahaha, that's all those numbers are for
I'd appreciate that. Since your power range is what I'm shooting for I'd like to do some parts comparing and see where your HP & TQ is in the RPM range.
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Main? It's a custom built 347 with a procharger. The hole car is a mod lol
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Have sct with a dyno tune and I still it's a snail so much slower then my dd but i guess since its a vert being snail is a good thing
Mine is a vert too. I don't care if it is or not. I still want it to be fast.
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My buddy is a mustang specialist and he said that you can get a SCT 4 Bank Eliminator chip and that will accept modifications over the stock ECU. The stock ECU on the 94-95 was an experiment gone wrong, thus explaining why they only used that ECU for two years.

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I have a full intake, ignition coils, BBK shorty headers, BBK x-pipe with dual magnaflow mufflers, and I hope to have a chip soon. But mine runs pretty good. I have heard the chip opens up a lot of available horses that are being kept under lock and key by the stock ECU. I like your car by the way! It looks good! ?de03
Haha thanks. Im trying to get a few more ponys from it with a blower itll be interesting to see if the stock block holds longer then the stock t5 just good for both i dont push it much. And i got the bug like u all for more power just dont know if anything i do to it will ever compare to my zx14 in acceleration lol and havent found a car on the streets in ct yet that can either.
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Haha thanks. Im trying to get a few more ponys from it with a blower itll be interesting to see if the stock block holds longer then the stock t5 just good for both i dont push it much. And i got the bug like u all for more power just dont know if anything i do to it will ever compare to my zx14 in acceleration lol and havent found a car on the streets in ct yet that can either.
I would love to have a motorcycle. I just know I would kill myself.
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I would love to have a motorcycle. I just know I would kill myself.
You just have to respect the power just like cars. And drive defensive and you will be ok.
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You just have to respect the power just like cars. And drive defensive and you will be ok.
I used to have a 05 gixxer and no matter how defensive and respectful you are of the power at the end of the day it's always the idiots that don't pay attention to a incredibly loud bike that get ya.
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Just build a car that smokes crotch rockets... Much funner!!!
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I'd appreciate that. Since your power range is what I'm shooting for I'd like to do some parts comparing and see where your HP & TQ is in the RPM range.
I've read that a 306 can be almost as powerful as a 347
True or not ?
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I've read that a 306 can be almost as powerful as a 347
True or not ?
A supercharged 306 yes , I don't know about a N/A 306
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My motor is a 306. It's basically nothing more than a cleaned up 302. 4 cu ic inches will not gain much if any power.
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I've read that a 306 can be almost as powerful as a 347
True or not ?
Equal builds, no the extra cubes will always produce more power.

That's why I will never build a 347. It is just too close to a 351W, but without the better, stronger block the 351W has, plus you can bore and stroke the 351W up into big block cubic inches to get some serious HP & TQ.
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My motor is a 306. It's basically nothing more than a cleaned up 302. 4 cu ic inches will not gain much if any power.
So a 306 is pointless? Or just a way to freshen up the cylinders ?

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And true Trojan.. What is a 351 usually taken out to? A 363?
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You can stroker a 351w to a 408 and 427
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+1 I'm slowly gathering parts to build a stroked 351w to a 408 I'm looking for 650-700rwhp with about 10-15psi of boost.. Street car
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So a 306 is pointless? Or just a way to freshen up the cylinders ?
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And true Trojan.. What is a 351 usually taken out to? A 363?
No a 306 is not pointless, it is a good way to salvage a worn block.. That is just my opinion on stroking a 302. I, personally just don't think they are worth the time or effort involved.

Like WhiteCobra said below 427 is about the max for a stock block, but some aftermarket blocks can go to 454-460 cubes
I don't know what is the most popular size, but you can basically go from the 351 up to the 427 on the stock blocks. The 393 408 & 427 seem to be the most popular from what I have read.

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You can stroker a 351w to a 408 and 427
My favorite sizes.

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+1 I'm slowly gathering parts to build a stroked 351w to a 408 I'm looking for 650-700rwhp with about 10-15psi of boost.. Street car
Ahhh, A man after my own heart. MOAR POWUH! Right on up to ridiculous levels please. I get an adrenaline rush just thinking about it.
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Oh yeah!!! It must be street legal or it's pointless to me. I love the track but I like to play with my toys pretty often.. And remind corvettes who is boss
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No a 306 is not pointless, it is a good way to salvage a worn block.. That is just my opinion on stroking a 302. I, personally just don't think they are worth the time or effort involved.

Like WhiteCobra said below 427 is about the max for a stock block, but some aftermarket blocks can go to 454-460 cubes
I don't know what is the most popular size, but you can basically go from the 351 up to the 427 on the stock blocks. The 393 408 & 427 seem to be the most popular from what I have read.

My favorite sizes.

Ahhh, A man after my own heart. MOAR POWUH! Right on up to ridiculous levels please. I get an adrenaline rush just thinking about it.
Thank you! And so you'd rather build a 302 ten take it to a 306 ..
Ad damn that's some big seriouse power l.. Okay now can you take a 460 and bore it out ?!
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Yeah but it would be a waste in a fox that's a lot of weight you can get the same power with a 351

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That's not what's he is saying really.. It's getting harder to find low mile 302's unless you buy an aftermarket block... So when many people rebuild the block its bored and prepped to like new it just requires bigger pistons. But the stock 302 block max's out around 550hp no matter how big you bore it or stroke it..
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Yeah but it would be a waste in a fox that's a lot of weight you can get the same power with a 351
True ! So what's the weight diff between a 351 and 302 block?

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Yeah but it would be a waste in a fox that's a lot of weight you can get the same power with a 351

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That's not what's he is saying really.. It's getting harder to find low mile 302's unless you buy an aftermarket block... So when many people rebuild the block its bored and prepped to like new it just requires bigger pistons. But the stock 302 block max's out around 550hp no matter how big you bore it or stroke it..
Ohhh yeh makes sence .. So it's more to freshen the motor up?
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I'm not sure on the weight difference on the 351 and 302 my guess less than 80lbs.. A full re build isn't very expensive I've done them for around $1000. And that's adding good pistons and rings and a decent cam.. Along with having the block magna fluxed bored honed new rings bearings seals freeze plugs galley plugs cam bearings new double roller setup rebuilding heads etc.. Do your research and compare prices... And do as much work by yourself that you can..
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I'm not sure on the weight difference on the 351 and 302 my guess less than 80lbs.. A full re build isn't very expensive I've done them for around $1000. And that's adding good pistons and rings and a decent cam.. Along with having the block magna fluxed bored honed new rings bearings seals freeze plugs galley plugs cam bearings new double roller setup rebuilding heads etc.. Do your research and compare prices... And do as much work by yourself that you can..
That's not as bad as I figured .. How long it take ? Like 30 hours .
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Oh yeah!!! It must be street legal or it's pointless to me. I love the track but I like to play with my toys pretty often.. And remind corvettes who is boss
YUP! Street legal or it is not much fun. I have a guy who now has a Z06 who has been after me with one vehicle or another since I first got my 86. I'll sure be glad to be able to work on it again and to get it finished so we can see whether or not the Z06 can take it.

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Thank you! And so you'd rather build a 302 ten take it to a 306 ..
Ad damn that's some big seriouse power l.. Okay now can you take a 460 and bore it out ?!

No, A 306 is just a 302 that has been bored .030 oversize to clean up the cylinder walls.
I'm saying that most 302 rebuilds end up being 306's for that reason.


Yes, you can take a big block 460 and bore & stroke it out even bigger. I forget the actual limit on the stock blocks, but with 2" deck plates they have been bored and stroked up to 800 cubic inches with an aftermarket block.

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True ! So what's the weight diff between a 351 and 302 block?

About 65 lbs., which can be reduced by around 40 lbs. using aluminum heads, so the difference is really minimal at the best.
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Lol not even close my end prob 8hrs and 4 to re install in the car and fire up and drive... Just depends on your car knowledge your abundance of tools and a extra hand helps... I've been around racing and cars since I was a lil squirt.. I'm only 27 now but we can tear'em down and build them up pretty well
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Lol not even close my end prob 8hrs and 4 to re install in the car and fire up and drive... Just depends on your car knowledge your abundance of tools and a extra hand helps... I've been around racing and cars since I was a lil squirt.. I'm only 27 now but we can tear'em down and build them up pretty well
See I wish there was people like you in my area !! I need some one who can reach. E the ropes !
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Do like I did at 16 years old. I went around to the local repair shops, found an older mechanic who was friendly, then pestered the crap out of him with questions from then on.


We ended up becoming the best of friends and helped each other through many projects over the years, right up until he passed away a few years ago. In the beginning he would let me watch, ask questions and help by cleaning parts or making parts runs, so we both benefited from the association and friendship.
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I have a 94 5.0 and I have alot of work besides a s.c and im only doin 300 wheel hp..and I have $9k into motor..5.0s N/A hp is not great but motor in strong..when I / if I S.C my car im putting a high boost vortech and im looking to hit just under 500hp at 15\16 psi
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It shouldn't be a prob..just build it right
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I have a 94 5.0 and I have alot of work besides a s.c and im only doin 300 wheel hp..and I have $9k into motor..5.0s N/A hp is not great but motor in strong..when I / if I S.C my car im putting a high boost vortech and im looking to hit just under 500hp at 15\16 psi
Go to the Superchargers & Turbos sticky thread for advice on how to build the engine to withstand the higher HP levels.
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Really 9k and only 300? Hell give me 6k and I will make 500
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YUP! Street legal or it is not much fun. I have a guy who now has a Z06 who has been after me with one vehicle or another since I first got my 86. I'll sure be glad to be able to work on it again and to get it finished so we can see whether or not the Z06 can take it.

No, A 306 is just a 302 that has been bored .030 oversize to clean up the cylinder walls.
I'm saying that most 302 rebuilds end up being 306's for that reason.

Yes, you can take a big block 460 and bore & stroke it out even bigger. I forget the actual limit on the stock blocks, but with 2" deck plates they have been bored and stroked up to 800 cubic inches with an aftermarket block.

About 65 lbs., which can be reduced by around 40 lbs. using aluminum heads, so the difference is really minimal at the best.
Haha show that bowtie boy what the blue oval is all bout !!!
Oh makes sence , thats not much bigger and freshens it up.. So is a 331 where you start makin more power ?!

And okay deck heigh deck plates I'm lost

But holy effin huge !!! That's gallons per mile right there , and I can only imagine the power from something that big!!
So using a 351 would be the better block to build on?

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Haha show that bowtie boy what the blue oval is all bout !!!
Oh makes sence , thats not much bigger and freshens it up.. So is a 331 where you start makin more power ?!

And okay deck heigh deck plates I'm lost

But holy effin huge !!! That's gallons per mile right there , and I can only imagine the power from something that big!!
So using a 351 would be the better block to build on?
Yes, 327-331 is probably where you would start making a really noticeable difference.


The 2" thick deck plates are fastened to the top of the block to raise the block's "deck height" so they can substantially increase the stroke of the 460 block to be able to produce the 800 cubic inches.


Yes, the 351W would be a much better block to build on. 600- 800 HP on a properly prepared 351W block is possible.
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Yes, 327-331 is probably where you would start making a really noticeable difference.

The 2" thick deck plates are fastened to the top of the block to raise the block's "deck height" so they can substantially increase the stroke of the 460 block to be able to produce the 800 cubic inches.

Yes, the 351W would be a much better block to build on. 600- 800 HP on a properly prepared 351W block is possible.
Thanks Trojan! Now the ticket would be to get my hands on a 351 C block
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Thanks Trojan! Now the ticket would be to get my hands on a 351 C block
You want the 351W not the 351C.
The C is heavier and harder to find parts for nowadays.
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Really 9k and only 300? Hell give me 6k and I will make 500
My motor is well built..no half *** work,,my motor is 100% ready..and its all motor 306..not 331 347..a 5.0..and when it gets boosted its not gonna break like most stangs..its gonna hold it great.
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