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Old 05-29-2012, 01:56 PM   #1
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So I know that either they work or it doesn't work. However, what are some symptoms that it's not working can they vary? What I have going on is the feeling of lost timing the exhaust note has changed it back fires from the carb on first start up and you can see like specs of fuel shooting from the carb. I changed the carb and it ran a little better but still the exhaust note is the same and loss of power and still backfires from the carb. Any ideas?
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Definitely sounds like a timing issue. If you go to msd website there are testing procedure for the box. And also testing procedures in the sticky section.
What I would do is check your timing. Then if that don't help call msd and they will walk you through the testing procedures If needed. If they box is bad they will repair it from minimun 30$ to max 80$.
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Definitely sounds like a timing issue. If you go to msd website there are testing procedure for the box. And also testing procedures in the sticky section.
What I would do is check your timing. Then if that don't help call msd and they will walk you through the testing procedures If needed. If they box is bad they will repair it from minimun 30$ to max 80$.
Ok thanks, also this all started when I used higher octane I didn't think that could effect anything.
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Ok thanks, also this all started when I used higher octane I didn't think that could effect anything.
I doubt it but I suppose its possible. Definitely check your timing.

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Just a guess if it is the fuel, your timing is probably retarded to much.
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I'm not positive of his setup. But he is probably not running the tfi module with the carb.
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I'm not positive of his setup. But he is probably not running the tfi module with the carb.
Im pretty sure ive never seen thin film ignition in a carbed set up but i could be wrong.

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I had a 74 f100 that would spit fire up out the carb . And it was the timing just as dream stated above
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That's what I'm thinking timing but not from the distributor right I mean that can't jump timing can it? The bolt is secure I checked that first to see if it was loose
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That's what I'm thinking timing but not from the distributor right I mean that can't jump timing can it? The bolt is secure I checked that first to see if it was loose
Yes..it can ask Dreamstang bout that one!..
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That's what I'm thinking timing but not from the distributor right I mean that can't jump timing can it? The bolt is secure I checked that first to see if it was loose
I have lots of posts in my thread but I just had a similar problem. It was because I was getting intererance on my distributor wires. If you feel like reading it, it should be within the last few pages of my thread titled " what it takes" . Thread was posted on within the last few weeks so if you scroll down a few pages in this section you should be able to find it.

I still stay check timing. If it is off, reset it. Then Mark the distributor so you can rule that out if your timing moves again. Then if it does move again, msd tech will help you verify if the box is bad. And like I said before they are pretty cheap to repair versus buying a new one.

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Also what kind of distributor do you have. If its mechanical/centrifigul advance type there is a chance that the advance mechanism is getting worn. If the other thing I suggested check out ok and you still have problem, you maybe able to put new springs in the advance if you have that type.
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I have lots of posts in my thread but I just had a similar problem. It was because I was getting intererance on my distributor wires. If you feel like reading it, it should be within the last few pages of my thread titled " what it takes" . Thread was posted on within the last few weeks so if you scroll down a few pages in this section you should be able to find it.

I still stay check timing. If it is off, reset it. Then Mark the distributor so you can rule that out if your timing moves again. Then if it does move again, msd tech will help you verify if the box is bad. And like I said before they are pretty cheap to repair versus buying a new one.

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Also what kind of distributor do you have. If its mechanical/centrifigul advance type there is a chance that the advance mechanism is getting worn. If the other thing I suggested check out ok and you still have problem, you maybe able to put new springs in the advance if you have that type.
It's centrifugal but I forget the model number it's the one that says its specifically for the 351w victor jr intake which I have.
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It's centrifugal but I forget the model number it's the one that says its specifically for the 351w victor jr intake which I have.
If its old the spring could be worn. But for starter reset timing. Sorry if I sound like a broken record.lol But that's the first step to trouble shooting this.
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If its old the spring could be worn. But for starter reset timing. Sorry if I sound like a broken record.lol But that's the first step to trouble shooting this.
Just read the post. I will investigate that very well could be my issue which was stated in your thread" what it takes" I've had some issues with things vibrating lose ( not to happy with my engine builder) as we speak my car has been sitting there now for two weeks waiting for him to look at this issue as well as tighten everything up. Think it's time to move on from him
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Just read the post. I will investigate that very well could be my issue which was stated in your thread" what it takes" I've had some issues with things vibrating lose ( not to happy with my engine builder) as we speak my car has been sitting there now for two weeks waiting for him to look at this issue as well as tighten everything up. Think it's time to move on from him
Sounds like it. One other thing to remember. I carbed motors take a little bit more maintenance that an efi system. Good luck man. If you need anything else or can think of anything else let us know. I definitely let us know what you find out.
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Well I dropped a valve : sigh:
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Well I dropped a valve : sigh:
Is your engine builder going to cover that?


Note: I'd replace all of the valve spring locks and retainers with 10° locks and retainers.
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Is your engine builder going to cover that?

Note: I'd replace all of the valve spring locks and retainers with 10° locks and retainers.
Yeah he is
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Yeah he is
That's good.


Did the valve pull through the retainer, break or what?
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That's good.

Did the valve pull through the retainer, break or what?
He just pulled the cover so we aren't sure the extent of the damage
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